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To think most people are concerned about climate change... but

315 replies

hopewithoutpanic · 10/02/2023 06:43

Don't know what they can personally do to make an impact?

We can see the fires, floods and impact climate change is having in both near and far places.

It has to be a concern, right? This is something that could make our planet dramatically different within our and our children's lifetimes.

Would I be correct in thinking the issue is that is individuals just don't know what (aside from recycling / trying to reduce meat etc) they can do to make a real difference?

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JassyRadlett · 11/02/2023 11:53

Daftasabroom · 11/02/2023 11:43

Thanks @JassyRadlett Ah I was aware of that. It's just part of the overall deal for the renewables operators as far as I'm concerned. I'd see that as a temporary fix as in due course we'll have CCUS and power to liquid.

The National Grid future scenarios is interesting.

It's going to be a massively different system in the next 20 years and so much new tech coming on. Hugely exciting - but also totally reasonable that we need interim fixes and that everything isn't perfectly aligned so that the generation, the transmission and distribution, the storage and the flex all come online at the same time.

Daftasabroom · 11/02/2023 12:02

The sustainable technologies are going to be available within 3 to 8 years, but the supply chains to manufacture the systems and the actual future fuel supply will lag significantly behind.

MintyFreshOne · 11/02/2023 12:39

The fact that Scotland is 97% renewable

You keep saying this. It’s not true:

fullfact.org/environment/scotland-renewable-energy/

Are you deliberately lying or do you genuinely not know how the grid works?

Mysticguru · 11/02/2023 13:19

Stop consumerism.. Buying things that are not needed.

Stop destroying eco systems.

Stop capitalism

Introduce a plastics tax and import tax on anything imported that is not environmentally friendly.

Reintroduce nature into urban area's. For example wildflowers in grass verges, along with more trees, more shrubs and ground covering flowers. Stop cutting the grass!!

Introduce beehives, bee hotels and bat boxes into urban area's

Subsidise EV's

The universe is sending messages to humanity, but humanity isn't listening.

DdraigGoch · 11/02/2023 14:06

FusionChefGeoff · 10/02/2023 11:11

Oh and I also donate to the Green Party and crowdfunders that back climate type legal challenges

The Green Party are no bloody use, they're far too distracted by niche causes to worry about the planet.

Daftasabroom · 11/02/2023 14:06

@Mysticguru how do you define environmentally friendly?

Mysticguru · 11/02/2023 20:39

A doll made in China wrapped up in so much packaging is not environmentally friendly

DdraigGoch · 11/02/2023 20:54

FamilyLife2point4 · 10/02/2023 20:55

What sickened me - was reading how the govt are paying renewable energy companies to stop producing as it is overloading the national grid. Why not stop burning so many fossil fuels given how much renewables are generating?
Scotland is 97% renewable for electricity …..

Because the wind farms are in Scotland and most of the demand is in the south of England. There simply isn't the capacity in the grid to move very large surpluses of power.

Daftasabroom · 12/02/2023 11:25

Mysticguru · 11/02/2023 20:39

A doll made in China wrapped up in so much packaging is not environmentally friendly

That isn't necessarily true, it's really complex, and not all dolls are equal neither is packaging. It's really easy to make highly emotive sweeping statements, leaving others to find realistic workable solutions.

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 13:29

@Daftasabroom
Of course you should be making/finding workable solutions.

What you going to do wait for everyone else to do it for you.

For example buy from a greengrocer, use a shopping bag that is made from sustainable/natural materials, Recycled paper bag?

Is it really that difficult.

Do you know how much water is used to grow cotton?
Do you know how many eco systems have been destroyed to grow cotton?
Then asked yourself how many pairs of jeans have you got and how much damage to the climate has been caused so people can be packaged up in them!!

Stop or even slow down consumerism and there will be an enormous difference?? And even maybe the billionaires that own these companies might not be able to afford private jets!!

When are people going to realise that sitting on a computer buying on the internet is causing all of what you're witnessing throughout the world!!!!

Just ask yourself. Do I really need it?

Daftasabroom · 12/02/2023 13:48

@Mysticguru
I have two pairs of jeans, both Nudie, about three years old (I've been lobbying Nudie to stop using stretch materials). I am currently wearing Bam socks, Bam pants, 15yo Howie's lined trousers (I had to trim the frayed bits off last week) a 25yo gilet, and a tee shirt from 2002.

My challenge to you was really "how do you measure environmentally sustainable?". Move away from the rhetoric and actually address the challenges we face?

(I really don't get the obsession with private jets, it's probably the ultimate discourse of delay.)

whostolemycheeseagain · 12/02/2023 16:49

GettingStuffed · 10/02/2023 19:26

We could all stop getting new stuff when we don't need it, iPhone? Still working you don't need a new one, they use fomo to get you to upgrade. Going to a wedding, do you really need a new outfit?

There's something called 'planned obsolesence', so (primarily technology) companies make you buy new equipment.

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 17:02

I'm lobbying the local and county council to get there act together environmentally. Which has resulted in a diversification audit. (probably end up on the floor)

Totally vegan and organic. I'm the one who buys the wobbly veg :)

Wearing 2 set of outfit per week.

Only one day a week for laundry

One day a week for showering

Mostly charity shop clothing

Bus and bike for transport

Member of Greenpeace and WWF

We live on an Island that could be the garden of Eden if we all had mind too change our ways.

lifeinthehills · 12/02/2023 21:11

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 17:02

I'm lobbying the local and county council to get there act together environmentally. Which has resulted in a diversification audit. (probably end up on the floor)

Totally vegan and organic. I'm the one who buys the wobbly veg :)

Wearing 2 set of outfit per week.

Only one day a week for laundry

One day a week for showering

Mostly charity shop clothing

Bus and bike for transport

Member of Greenpeace and WWF

We live on an Island that could be the garden of Eden if we all had mind too change our ways.

How do you manage to shower once a week and wear two outfits a week?

I wear two outfits a day, not counting night clothes. I go for a good walk in the morning, sweat so need to change my clothes when I get back. (perimenopausal, so that doesn't help the sweating). I would just be gross and not so pleasant to those around me if I didn't.

I shower once a day for the same reason, sometimes every day and a half it I can get away with it. I'd be smelly if I didn't.

Do you not sweat or something?

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 21:15

Hot flannels

Mostly naked and sleep naked too

Haven't washed my hair in years or had it cut.

lifeinthehills · 12/02/2023 21:22

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 21:15

Hot flannels

Mostly naked and sleep naked too

Haven't washed my hair in years or had it cut.

I think the teens might not be impressed if I slept naked.

I suppose the hot flannels were the logical thing. I should have figured that out.

I'm quite active so I think I'll keep up showering and changing out of sweaty clothes.

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 21:24

If you'd lived in a drought ridden country you'd know and be comfortable in your sweaty clothes :)

lifeinthehills · 12/02/2023 21:25

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 21:24

If you'd lived in a drought ridden country you'd know and be comfortable in your sweaty clothes :)

I do live in a drought ridden country which is probably one reason I sweat more. It's hot.

lifeinthehills · 12/02/2023 21:27

lifeinthehills · 12/02/2023 21:25

I do live in a drought ridden country which is probably one reason I sweat more. It's hot.

I do sometimes sweat without exercising when it's hot, but I can deal with that. I just shower the next day so I don't stink of the previous day of sweat to start off the day.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 12/02/2023 21:27

Yabu. Most people are fully aware of climate change but have absolutely no interest in doing anything meaningful about it.
The lifestyle changes required are unacceptable to most people so will never happen in the main. Governments are too short sighted / scared to impose things on their voters.
I wax a passionate eco campaiger for years but I've given up worrying about it now - life is too short to scream into a vacuum.

lifeinthehills · 12/02/2023 21:29

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 21:24

If you'd lived in a drought ridden country you'd know and be comfortable in your sweaty clothes :)

Was a genuine query btw. Not picking your post apart. Since the hormones changed I sweat more and have had to buy extra clothes to account for the extra clothes change after exercise. So did wonder how you managed it.

MegaManic · 12/02/2023 21:32

I think the problem with the 'climate emergency, we are all going to die' message is people lose hope. Anyone who deviates from what was agreed in Paris, net zero etc is vilified as a climate denier, there is no room for nuance in the debate. Net zero will not happen and it doesn't necessarily need to. Having only electric cars, no fossil fuels, no oil and gas is just fantasy. Electric cars are not sustainable but most western govts are so locked in to them that they can't/won't look at alternatives. Bjorn Lomborg has some interesting stuff on this, he can't get any hearing in MSM so tends to talk on podcasts etc. I don't agree with everything he says but I think some of the models, historic informations, projections (not his but taken from other sources) are interesting.

If there was a more measured approach people would feel like they can make a difference. Yes we should recycle, walk more, drive and fly less and consume less but I don't think the current messaging encourages that.

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 21:34

@lifeinthehills

Drought ridden country and taking showers doesn't add up

@TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum

I agree with your comments.......

I'm not worried about it. Nature will survive when human life is extinct.

But I can't help sticking it to the people in (illusory) power when I get chance.

whostolemycheeseagain · 12/02/2023 21:41

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 21:15

Hot flannels

Mostly naked and sleep naked too

Haven't washed my hair in years or had it cut.

I guess you don't work either

lifeinthehills · 12/02/2023 21:53

Mysticguru · 12/02/2023 21:34

@lifeinthehills

Drought ridden country and taking showers doesn't add up

@TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum

I agree with your comments.......

I'm not worried about it. Nature will survive when human life is extinct.

But I can't help sticking it to the people in (illusory) power when I get chance.

Of course it does. You don't have to have long showers.