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To think most people are concerned about climate change... but

315 replies

hopewithoutpanic · 10/02/2023 06:43

Don't know what they can personally do to make an impact?

We can see the fires, floods and impact climate change is having in both near and far places.

It has to be a concern, right? This is something that could make our planet dramatically different within our and our children's lifetimes.

Would I be correct in thinking the issue is that is individuals just don't know what (aside from recycling / trying to reduce meat etc) they can do to make a real difference?

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Daftasabroom · 14/02/2023 09:24

None of those justify taking intervention without the land owners permission though. There are just as many well meaning efforts that have gone badly wrong. You have heard of unintended consequences I assume?

Why not just volunteer for local wildlife trust?

MasterBeth · 14/02/2023 14:57

MintyFreshOne · 13/02/2023 03:43

Preferable to being poor, the living standards in the developing world (particularly in China but also elsewhere) have improved a lot

The planet being uninhabitable to human life doesn't seem preferable to me. Being poor isn't great but it's better than being dead.

Mysticguru · 14/02/2023 16:02

@Daftasabroom

Please.

Member of WWF, Greenpeace and WT.

Acts of vandalism!! Springtime is nearly here, The dandelions will be out all over the grass verges in your area, and are the first food for bees.

But your local council will be out with mowers and strimmer's cutting the verges so they are all nice and neat!

Nothing in nature is "nice and neat"

Heatherjayne1972 · 14/02/2023 16:34

My unpopular opinion is that either it’s too late ( and they know it) or the politicians/ rich people don’t care - if they were bothered they’d stop/ ban private air flights but they even jetted in to a climate change meeting on private jets!

if they cared then huge pressure would’ve been put on multi nationals and large countries years ago to stop polluting but they haven’t
(it’s fairly common knowledge that the super wealthy have hideaways / underground bunkers etc in ‘safe’ places so maybe they don’t care )

while these things are still going on what difference does my recycling make?

Daftasabroom · 14/02/2023 17:43

Mysticguru · 14/02/2023 16:02

@Daftasabroom

Please.

Member of WWF, Greenpeace and WT.

Acts of vandalism!! Springtime is nearly here, The dandelions will be out all over the grass verges in your area, and are the first food for bees.

But your local council will be out with mowers and strimmer's cutting the verges so they are all nice and neat!

Nothing in nature is "nice and neat"

Ivy is the first food bees.

The local council are going to have to restart the mow/no-mow regenerative verge project because a bunch of morons decided to plant a load of non-endemic "wild flower seed".

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 17:50

There's no such thing as manmade climate change. It's a ruse thought up by the richest people on the planet to be used as an excuse to usher in their 'Great Reset' Agenda 2030 project. They say we will 'own nothing and be happy'. They, of course, will still live as they have always lived, gallivanting around the world in gas-guzzling vehicles, island hopping from one party to another and gorging on lots of iron-rich meat. We will be banned from leaving our 15 minute neighbourhoods and we will eat food made on insects.

Daftasabroom · 14/02/2023 17:51

Heatherjayne1972 · 14/02/2023 16:34

My unpopular opinion is that either it’s too late ( and they know it) or the politicians/ rich people don’t care - if they were bothered they’d stop/ ban private air flights but they even jetted in to a climate change meeting on private jets!

if they cared then huge pressure would’ve been put on multi nationals and large countries years ago to stop polluting but they haven’t
(it’s fairly common knowledge that the super wealthy have hideaways / underground bunkers etc in ‘safe’ places so maybe they don’t care )

while these things are still going on what difference does my recycling make?

Your recycling is one thing, all 28 million households in the UK recycling makes a big difference.

Daftasabroom · 14/02/2023 17:56

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 17:50

There's no such thing as manmade climate change. It's a ruse thought up by the richest people on the planet to be used as an excuse to usher in their 'Great Reset' Agenda 2030 project. They say we will 'own nothing and be happy'. They, of course, will still live as they have always lived, gallivanting around the world in gas-guzzling vehicles, island hopping from one party to another and gorging on lots of iron-rich meat. We will be banned from leaving our 15 minute neighbourhoods and we will eat food made on insects.

Can you provide any evidence whatsoever for any of those statements? Start with no such thing as manmade climate change. And I'd like a scientific explanation of why please. Literally I'd like to understand the physics.

Mysticguru · 14/02/2023 17:58

@Daftasabroom

Wildflowers are natural.

The seeds land wherever they fall.....

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 18:14

Daftasabroom · 14/02/2023 17:56

Can you provide any evidence whatsoever for any of those statements? Start with no such thing as manmade climate change. And I'd like a scientific explanation of why please. Literally I'd like to understand the physics.

I recommend you do your own research because what I know has taken over a decade to acquire. You can research Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 (both easy to find out about as they are very much out in the open...even the UK government website covers them), the World Economic Forum (Klaus Schwab and Yuval Noah Harari...the latter has lots of talks on Youtube detailing where he sees humanity heading), also look up smart cities and rewilding.

Research the counter arguments against the concept of manmade climate change, the people who say there is no such thing (David Bellamy bravely spoke out before he died), the scientists who risk their livelihoods speaking out, etc.

I can send you a long list of quotes by famous people admitting it's a ruse. Pages and pages of them.

One way to know what the real motives of all this are is to find out what their projects are all about. Unfortunately, evil people do lie when they wish to do something ordinary people wouldn't agree to. They will make up scare stories to hoodwink people into agreeing to the changes needed to usher in this new and unpleasant change. Listen to what Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum says he and his ilk are in the process of doing: ushering in a totally new way of living all around the world.

This presentation is a rose-tinted glimpse into the future. It leaves a lot of the unpleasantness out, such as the Big Brother nature of the society, the fact we would have no freedom, the inability to travel or access rural areas, etc. But it's a good introduction to the reality we are facing.

www.chathamhouse.org/2021/04/journey-londons-future-shows-better-world

MintyFreshOne · 14/02/2023 19:06

The planet being uninhabitable to human life doesn't seem preferable to me. Being poor isn't great but it's better than being dead

The planet won’t become uninhabitable, nothing in the IPCC AR5 has suggested it, so don’t know why you believe it

MintyFreshOne · 14/02/2023 19:08

To add: yes there will be challenges, but a wealthier, more productive society can weather (so to speak) those challenges better than a poverty ridden, resource-poor society.

Poverty is still the big killer, BY FAR

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 20:33
Elvis1956 · 14/02/2023 20:53

It's being presented wrongly. Rather than telling people that the earth is going to be destroyed...which most minds can't believe or deal with, the famine in China situation. Tell them taking steps to save themselves money also helps climate change.

personally I don't believe climate change is man made. HOWEVER, I
1 only boil the exact amount of water I need for tea/coffee/ect
2 have solar panels
3 batch cook
4 fitted low energy then led bulbs
5 buy economic card
6 cycled to work twice a week(when I had an office job)
Etc, ECT

it saves me money. As a by product I may be helping with climate change....As I could well be wrong in my views😁

Daftasabroom · 14/02/2023 22:06

HandyLady · 14/02/2023 18:14

I recommend you do your own research because what I know has taken over a decade to acquire. You can research Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 (both easy to find out about as they are very much out in the open...even the UK government website covers them), the World Economic Forum (Klaus Schwab and Yuval Noah Harari...the latter has lots of talks on Youtube detailing where he sees humanity heading), also look up smart cities and rewilding.

Research the counter arguments against the concept of manmade climate change, the people who say there is no such thing (David Bellamy bravely spoke out before he died), the scientists who risk their livelihoods speaking out, etc.

I can send you a long list of quotes by famous people admitting it's a ruse. Pages and pages of them.

One way to know what the real motives of all this are is to find out what their projects are all about. Unfortunately, evil people do lie when they wish to do something ordinary people wouldn't agree to. They will make up scare stories to hoodwink people into agreeing to the changes needed to usher in this new and unpleasant change. Listen to what Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum says he and his ilk are in the process of doing: ushering in a totally new way of living all around the world.

This presentation is a rose-tinted glimpse into the future. It leaves a lot of the unpleasantness out, such as the Big Brother nature of the society, the fact we would have no freedom, the inability to travel or access rural areas, etc. But it's a good introduction to the reality we are facing.

www.chathamhouse.org/2021/04/journey-londons-future-shows-better-world

Oh FFS, do your own research?

I've been doing it for two decades longer than you have.

Daftasabroom · 14/02/2023 22:11

Mysticguru · 14/02/2023 17:58

@Daftasabroom

Wildflowers are natural.

The seeds land wherever they fall.....

Wild flowers are natural? That'll include the likes of Himalayan Balsam etc?

Please, just volunteer for your local wildlife trust. They would be so happy to someone as motivated as you are.

Daftasabroom · 15/02/2023 08:08

Elvis1956 · 14/02/2023 20:53

It's being presented wrongly. Rather than telling people that the earth is going to be destroyed...which most minds can't believe or deal with, the famine in China situation. Tell them taking steps to save themselves money also helps climate change.

personally I don't believe climate change is man made. HOWEVER, I
1 only boil the exact amount of water I need for tea/coffee/ect
2 have solar panels
3 batch cook
4 fitted low energy then led bulbs
5 buy economic card
6 cycled to work twice a week(when I had an office job)
Etc, ECT

it saves me money. As a by product I may be helping with climate change....As I could well be wrong in my views😁

It's both, taking positive steps will save you money and the planet.

I'm genuinely interested why you don't "believe" in climate change, could you explain why?

Daftasabroom · 15/02/2023 08:19

MintyFreshOne · 14/02/2023 19:06

The planet being uninhabitable to human life doesn't seem preferable to me. Being poor isn't great but it's better than being dead

The planet won’t become uninhabitable, nothing in the IPCC AR5 has suggested it, so don’t know why you believe it

AR5 was from 2014, you need AR6 from 2022. Granted I don't know anyone who has actually read all 2900+ pages.

Many Pacific Islands at high risk from rises in sea level, some have already been abandoned.

To think most people are concerned about climate change... but
Tumbleweed101 · 15/02/2023 08:25

I think the global response to Covid showed that we can work together as a globe so why aren't government doing so for climate change?

The current ways of doing things just seem to make life more expensive or impractical for poorer people to implement. Like cutting down electric or power or oil. Making these things expensive doesn't make things better unless the whole world is doing the same, it just makes people poor and uncomfortable, this gives little incentive on an individual level to take it seriously as just feel big cooperations are taking advantage.

Proper infastructure needs to be put into place. Proper bus and rail services to rural areas, nobody can give up their car if they literally can't get anywhere by other means. And it has to be financially viable for the poorest in our communities.

Until things like this are tackled then people haven't got the options and choices needed to make a difference in their daily lives. Things like reducing meat- make other food options cheaper. Eco friendly options are always the more expensive options and beyond the budgets of poorer people in the community.

I don't do as much as I should. I don't have time to cycle day to day, I don't have time to find locally grown produce as things are shut when I finish work. What I do as my bit to help is make sure my garden is as friendly to native plant species as possible and make areas for insects and animals to live and hide. Its the one thing I can do easily on a day to day basis.

MintyFreshOne · 15/02/2023 10:06

Daftasabroom · 15/02/2023 08:19

AR5 was from 2014, you need AR6 from 2022. Granted I don't know anyone who has actually read all 2900+ pages.

Many Pacific Islands at high risk from rises in sea level, some have already been abandoned.

That’s not the apocalypse that was promised.

There will be localized challenges (as there always is) but there’s not going to be anything planet-wide that will doom the human species. Not from climate change anyway.

I’m tired of people acting like there is. Imho living in poverty is far worse than anything related to climate change.

DdraigGoch · 15/02/2023 10:38

Mysticguru · 14/02/2023 17:58

@Daftasabroom

Wildflowers are natural.

The seeds land wherever they fall.....

The packet you buy from Tesco might not be locally appropriate.

Mysticguru · 15/02/2023 11:52

Maybe arrogance is also part of the problem!!

Alexandra2001 · 15/02/2023 12:02

MintyFreshOne · 15/02/2023 10:06

That’s not the apocalypse that was promised.

There will be localized challenges (as there always is) but there’s not going to be anything planet-wide that will doom the human species. Not from climate change anyway.

I’m tired of people acting like there is. Imho living in poverty is far worse than anything related to climate change.

So we wait until there is an apocalypse and its far too late to mitigate/limit any changes?
Seems a sensible policy but not one that any climate scientist suggests.

What we are seeing now and over time (avg temps, glacial melt, concentrations of gasses in atmosphere) is or should be, very concerning but no one cares enough to alter behaviors and this can only be done by Governments, we can't chose to use renewables or change transport policies or buy stuff that isn't for sale.... what the individual can do is very limited.

Daftasabroom · 15/02/2023 12:32

MintyFreshOne · 15/02/2023 10:06

That’s not the apocalypse that was promised.

There will be localized challenges (as there always is) but there’s not going to be anything planet-wide that will doom the human species. Not from climate change anyway.

I’m tired of people acting like there is. Imho living in poverty is far worse than anything related to climate change.

I'm not sure anyone has promised an apocalypse any time in the near future, but there is no doubt if we continue business as usual indefinitely we will make much of the planet we rely on uninhabitable. Look at the recent floods in NZ the wild fires in Aus, the heat dome in the USA, the drought in CA, put these together and it's starting to look more and more apocalyptic.

Sadly it will be the global poor (esp. South) who are least equipped to mitigate the inevitable changes we have already caused. Climate change will make poverty worse, ignoring climate change, or underplaying it, will condemn the poor to ever increasing hardship.

MintyFreshOne · 15/02/2023 15:09

if we continue business as usual indefinitely we will make much of the planet we rely on uninhabitable

No, that is not certain.

Look at the recent floods in NZ the wild fires in Aus, the heat dome in the USA, the drought in CA, put these together and it's starting to look more and more apocalyptic

There have always been wildfires,
please read this about CA with an open mind: www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2020/08/24/stop-blaming-climate-change-for-californias-fires-many-forests-including-the-redwoods-need-them

Sadly it will be the global poor (esp. South) who are least equipped to mitigate the inevitable changes we have already caused

They are not equipped because of poverty. You’ll note that Singaporeans can handle cyclones better than, say, Bangladesh, because they have good infrastructure that protects them. The developing world needs more and better infrastructure. Not more handwringing and whingeing by Western countries.

Climate change will make poverty worse, ignoring climate change, or underplaying it, will condemn the poor to ever increasing hardship

No, the denial of literally lifesaving fossil
fuels will condemn them to hardship. Wherever industrialisation has occurred, death by climate has gone down. This is indisputable.

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