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If you had the chance to move to the USA right now, would you?

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HiddenGiraffes · 06/02/2023 16:35

Context is it's a major city we've lived in before and liked, and we're currently in London, and like the area we live too. Some family in both countries.

I'm just curious if, given the opportunity to get out of the UK right now, people would consider the US a superior alternative.

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Wavescrashingonthebeach · 07/02/2023 16:09

@Cantstandbullshitanymore

The UK may be in a bit of a mess right now but at least my son is alot less likely to be shot.

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mathanxiety · 07/02/2023 16:15

But I agree that if you're well off, have good insurance through work, are white, MC, then the quality of life when it comes to the cars you drive, the size of your house, your kids sports, their education can be much better than here. If that's what's important to you.

Why should that not be important to someone?

British people appreciate all of that and more, and don't spend too much time wringing their hands about the food banks or the sink estates or the failing comps.

Liorae · 07/02/2023 17:44

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 07/02/2023 16:09

@Cantstandbullshitanymore

The UK may be in a bit of a mess right now but at least my son is alot less likely to be shot.

sorry can't unbold

If one is to go by the UK media, the danger of your son being stabbed is quite high.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 07/02/2023 17:57

@Liorae

Thats more London & in the large cities. Not where we live.

poetryandwine · 07/02/2023 18:10

And the gun dangers in America are sadly concentrated also. If you are white and middle class the chances that you will be affected are vanishingly small, although the examples that occur are extremely well publicised

mindutopia · 07/02/2023 18:13

Nope! I'm American and I moved away over a decade ago and I would never, ever move back.

HistoryFanatic · 07/02/2023 18:19

AliceOlive · 06/02/2023 19:23

See, I wouldn't trade my US healthcare for your NHS for all the world. It sounds like an absolutely nightmare and pregnant women, especially are treated worse than most people in the US treat their pets giving birth.

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Actually I couldn't find any fault with my care last year when having my second. Regular scans and midwife appointments. It depends on the area. At least here I can opt for an elective c section without worrying about the cost.

poetryandwine · 07/02/2023 18:24

So can insured Americans, @HistoryFanatic and that includes those on Medicaid. Those with private insurance pay only a small portion of what is seen on a bill. The rest is funny money

HistoryFanatic · 07/02/2023 18:43

poetryandwine · 07/02/2023 18:24

So can insured Americans, @HistoryFanatic and that includes those on Medicaid. Those with private insurance pay only a small portion of what is seen on a bill. The rest is funny money

Okay. Just pointing out that many have good experiences during pregnancy and birth. Don't always believe what you read.

HistoryFanatic · 07/02/2023 18:44

Guess those uninsured better hope for a very straightforward birth in America!

xprincessxjanetx · 07/02/2023 18:59

No

piggijg · 07/02/2023 19:57

@Rollin Walmart and Amazon offer all their employees insurance.....stop making shit up! No it is not free at point of service. There are many different plans and levels of service. People are given the choice what they pay for. There are state programs for poor and children but you have to bother to sign up for them.

CohenTree · 08/02/2023 09:37

Cantstandbullshitanymore · 07/02/2023 15:26

But the UK is approaching its glory days?

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The UK (or rather "Great Britain") already had its glory days and has been in the process of learning how to live withnot being the centre of the universe for several hundred years.
I think Americans have some painful lessons coming.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 08/02/2023 11:36

@AliceOlive

I could not fault my NHS care throughout my pregnancy and labour. It was amazing from start to finish. I actually cried at how amazing they were and sent them cards and chocs. This was the tail end of the pandemic and they were really accommodating to me and my partner.

AliceOlive · 08/02/2023 11:57

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 08/02/2023 11:36

@AliceOlive

I could not fault my NHS care throughout my pregnancy and labour. It was amazing from start to finish. I actually cried at how amazing they were and sent them cards and chocs. This was the tail end of the pandemic and they were really accommodating to me and my partner.

That’s really good to hear. I suppose we hear more about the bad experiences.
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Echobelly · 08/02/2023 12:01

No way, as a lot of states now don't allow me or my teenager bodily autonomy and some think it's acceptable for us to die from complications if we were to miscarry, and there's a decent chance the next Republican president will sign a federal ban making that the case across the whole US.

Refractory · 08/02/2023 12:19

If you were pro-lockdown, just ignore this post.

If you were against it - you can thank the US & federalism & yes, its 400 million guns that brought you Florida's 'experiment in human sacrifice', which will serve as an eternal embarrassment to the lockdown machine.

Also, the US has absolutely not outlawed abortion, they have pushed it to the states. Some states are pro-life, its true, but that's just pro-life people exercising their right to vote for pro-life candidates. I think they're nuts but different strokes.

Refractory · 08/02/2023 12:21

No way, as a lot of states now don't allow me or my teenager bodily autonomy and some think it's acceptable for us to die from complications if we were to miscarry, and there's a decent chance the next Republican president will sign a federal ban making that the case across the whole US.

The US Supreme Court has just pushed this to the states so that would be struck down right out of the gate. Not going to happen.

Squirrelsnut · 08/02/2023 12:22

Not a chance.

EndTheCycle · 08/02/2023 12:47

Refractory · 08/02/2023 12:19

If you were pro-lockdown, just ignore this post.

If you were against it - you can thank the US & federalism & yes, its 400 million guns that brought you Florida's 'experiment in human sacrifice', which will serve as an eternal embarrassment to the lockdown machine.

Also, the US has absolutely not outlawed abortion, they have pushed it to the states. Some states are pro-life, its true, but that's just pro-life people exercising their right to vote for pro-life candidates. I think they're nuts but different strokes.

Yes but it’s banned in half the country. For many who do now have enough time or money to drive across the country it is essentially a ban. Every single pregnancy I’ve had I vomit every hour on the hour. I would not be able to physically make the drive as I am from Texas. For many of you you drive for how long exactly…? 30 minutes to an hour and “Oh I’m in another country!” for us we drive for 5 hours straight and we’re still in Texas! At that point it doesn’t even matter if it’s a ban. Also the work culture means that many of us will lose our jobs because of having to take time off and travelling to do so.

Refractory · 08/02/2023 13:18

Texas is particularly strident and huge so
yes, what you describe is certainly a bad situation.

i guess it must be the case that a majority of Texas wants this, and so what is the alternative?

women favour abortion restrictions at higher rates than men so this is the women of Texas self-governing.

many employers post-roe are offering abortion leave and its in their financial interest to do just that, considering the cost of maternity leave and retraining new employees.

If you’re dealing with an ideological employer then that’s that but corporate America is overwhelmingly pro abortion rights.

SherbetDips · 08/02/2023 13:20

Yes I love the US

AliceOlive · 08/02/2023 13:21

@Refractory
i have no idea what this means. Can you expand?

*If you were pro-lockdown, just ignore this post.

If you were against it - you can thank the US & federalism & yes, its 400 million guns that brought you Florida's 'experiment in human sacrifice', which will serve as an eternal embarrassment to the lockdown machine.*

AliceOlive · 08/02/2023 13:32

Florida ranks 13th among US states covid deaths per 1M.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Florida also ranks #2 in age of population over age 65.
www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/

Seems to me like Florida just declined to participate in the lockdown experiment.

Liorae · 08/02/2023 13:36

AliceOlive · 08/02/2023 13:32

Florida ranks 13th among US states covid deaths per 1M.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Florida also ranks #2 in age of population over age 65.
www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/

Seems to me like Florida just declined to participate in the lockdown experiment.

Stop making sense, it's not appreciated on these anti US threads.