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AIBU to not understand this recent trend of giving baby girls male names?

304 replies

LaLuz7 · 29/01/2023 10:40

James, Ryan, Dylan...

I can't wrap my head around the idea of purposefully choosing a very traditionally male name for a girl.

Why would you? What message are you trying to send? Why don't you ever see it done the other way around (female names for boys)?

I personally feel that if I had gotten a male name it would have made me feel like my parents really wanted a boy and were disappointed in me. It would feel almost spiteful and it would give me inadequacy feelings.

My other gripe with this is that it doesn't sit well with me from a feminist perspective. By giving girls male names (but never ever the other way around) you are perpetuating the idea that masculinity as a trait is desirable and valuable above femininity.

Can someone explain it to me?

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CecilyP · 29/01/2023 11:44

Whinge · 29/01/2023 11:29

It's unlikely that they were their full names. A girl called Sam was probably Samantha and had the choice of using a shorter more masucline name. That's not the case for a girl called Dylan, James or Ryan.

They only really sound more masculine because girls names date quickly whereas boys names tend stand the test of time!

Puppers · 29/01/2023 11:44

LaLuz7 · 29/01/2023 11:30

It's not and i'm not advocating for that either.

I'm just pointing out the double standard

I'm a bit lost then. If it's not inherently a good thing to give "girl's names" to girls and "boy's names" to boys, why is it problematic to give "boy's names" to girls? Why would you have felt such extreme negative emotions if your parents had given you a "boy's name"?

I do agree about the double standard bit. I think it's still more unusual for parents to give names that are commonly used for girls, to boys. And as PP have pointed out, once a "boy's name" has become associated with girls, boys stop being given that name.

LaLuz7 · 29/01/2023 11:45

OneTC · 29/01/2023 11:43

Used to have a friend called Michael. I found her name really endearing. Her mum was deeply religious and particularly fascinated with angels rather than minor royal figures

And Michelle or Michaela was not an option?

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Abhannmor · 29/01/2023 11:49

Rowan , Robin and other nature type names are really unisex aren't they? Keith Richards has a daughter , Dandelion. Although she uses her middle name , Angela.

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 29/01/2023 11:49

LaLuz7 · 29/01/2023 11:45

And Michelle or Michaela was not an option?

Michelle or Michaela don't have the same religious connotations.

Talking of religion, I remembered I went to school with a girl whose middle name was StJohn.

OneTC · 29/01/2023 11:49

There was no archangel Michelle! Grin

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 29/01/2023 11:51

Dylan Emily really wound you up, eh OP?

Sux2buthen · 29/01/2023 11:51

I think you point is lost OP, it's been disproved really. There's plenty of 'male' names used by women and obviously'fe ale' names used by men.
I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter

SurferRona · 29/01/2023 11:53

Recent? I remember as a small kid learnIng that the drummer in the all-girl band The Bangles was called Micheal. Cool. 😀

Outfor150 · 29/01/2023 11:53

Julian was a very popular girl’s name from around 1067-1400. Whether it was also a boy’s name at that time, or just swapped to generally become a boy’s name later, I’m not sure. In fact, DD had a Julian (female) in her class at primary school.

LaLuz7 · 29/01/2023 11:54

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 29/01/2023 11:49

Michelle or Michaela don't have the same religious connotations.

Talking of religion, I remembered I went to school with a girl whose middle name was StJohn.

Well no, because there are no female angels. Presumably her mom knew that.

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the80sweregreat · 29/01/2023 11:54

Dandelion must be ' Gender neutral '
Surely ?.. I quite like it , but not that much for a boy oddly enough. You wouldn't call a boy Daisy.
I heard one little girl was called Tiger , which I'm
Not sure would suit a boy as much. The boy in outnumbered , his real name was Tiger , but with a y and that isn't as bad for either sex
Maybe people just don't like traditional names that much ? One celeb called their child ' moon unit ' I think , which is just cruel

LaLuz7 · 29/01/2023 11:55

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 29/01/2023 11:51

Dylan Emily really wound you up, eh OP?

Yes, it really did.

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Reugny · 29/01/2023 11:55

Justalittlebitduckling · 29/01/2023 11:32

Is it linked to the change to saying actor instead of actress etc?

You don't say doctoress and doctor do you? So why do certain professions/jobs require you to distinguish between make and female?

Outfor150 · 29/01/2023 11:56

SurferRona · 29/01/2023 11:53

Recent? I remember as a small kid learnIng that the drummer in the all-girl band The Bangles was called Micheal. Cool. 😀

Do you mean Michael? Her given name is Susan.

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 29/01/2023 11:56

LaLuz7 · 29/01/2023 11:54

Well no, because there are no female angels. Presumably her mom knew that.

Which was presumably why she chose Michael, lol.

I just can't get worked up about it, but then I know quite a few men with what we think of as typically female names - Lesley, Tracey, Stacey, Vivian, Dee and Jamie are the ones that spring to mind, though I'm sure there are others.

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 29/01/2023 11:57

the80sweregreat · 29/01/2023 11:54

Dandelion must be ' Gender neutral '
Surely ?.. I quite like it , but not that much for a boy oddly enough. You wouldn't call a boy Daisy.
I heard one little girl was called Tiger , which I'm
Not sure would suit a boy as much. The boy in outnumbered , his real name was Tiger , but with a y and that isn't as bad for either sex
Maybe people just don't like traditional names that much ? One celeb called their child ' moon unit ' I think , which is just cruel

Isn't Bob Geldof's daughter called Tiger Lily?

bridgetreilly · 29/01/2023 12:00

It is sexism, pure and simple. Giving a girl a male name is ‘strong, fierce, cool and unusual’. Giving a boy a female name is ‘wet, wimpy, silly and strange.’ Which is why, as soon as a name becomes unisex, boys are no longer given it.

The patriarchy, it is live and well.

WineDup · 29/01/2023 12:02

Puppers · 29/01/2023 11:44

I'm a bit lost then. If it's not inherently a good thing to give "girl's names" to girls and "boy's names" to boys, why is it problematic to give "boy's names" to girls? Why would you have felt such extreme negative emotions if your parents had given you a "boy's name"?

I do agree about the double standard bit. I think it's still more unusual for parents to give names that are commonly used for girls, to boys. And as PP have pointed out, once a "boy's name" has become associated with girls, boys stop being given that name.

Not necessarily true - I have a boy Max, I’d say that I know more females with the name Max than males. Although admittedly they might be a nickname (for either sex - my Max isn’t really a Max either!)

MotherofBingo · 29/01/2023 12:02

I had names picked out for my girls hea that I was told were boys names, I just felt they were unisex. I had Rhys, Rowan, Alex and Quinn on my lists for example. I know that they're not quite the same as Ryan and James but I also don't think they'd even get a second thought now when we have such a diverse range of names. A lot of names have switched genders as well like others have pointed out there are a lot of female names that were originally male names, it's not a new thing. Lauren was a boys name up until the 1940's. I heard the name Dylan used for a girl about 15 years ago and remember thinking it was actually quite a pretty name for a girl though so maybe I'm not the right person to be commenting 😂

WrendaleCountryDogs · 29/01/2023 12:05

My mum and brother both gave "unisex" names. When my mum was born, her name was used more on men than women. Nowadays the only men you come across are in their 70s or older (my mum is in her 60s).
My brother on the other hand, rarely any girls were given his name when he was born mid 80s and now nobody would give their boy the name as it's seen as female.
My mums name isn't used on either sex now.

I would only ever use a 100% boy name on a girl in the middle name spot if itnwas to honour somebody and there was no chance I'd be having another child/boy. I know somebody who used James as middle name for daughter as it was the daughters dad's name and sadly he died before she was born.

the80sweregreat · 29/01/2023 12:06

I quite like Tiger for a girl tbh, but I know I wouldn't have named my girl it ( if I had had one that is )
Was Lauren then changed to Lawrence maybe ? Maybe the names just changed over time to whatever was seemed as more 'manly ' sounding ?

the80sweregreat · 29/01/2023 12:12

Storm is nice, but if you saw it written down on its own without any prefix , photo or some clue or other , I wouldn't know of that person was male or female! Maybe this is a good thing ?
Although there aren't many times that would happen I suppose. I'm defo overthinking this

JassyRadlett · 29/01/2023 12:13

Johnnysgirl · 29/01/2023 11:01

Hilary has always been unisex. James certainly hasn't. Or isn't...

No - it's got roots as a male name going back to the 5th century or so. The feminine version is very 20th century.

Conkersinautumn · 29/01/2023 12:14

Clare wasn't a woman's name. How is this a new trend?