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To feel sorry for Brooklyn Beckham?

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Ridelikethewindypops · 28/01/2023 09:32

I just do feel a bit sorry for him. He's completely out of touch with the real world obviously, but he's so young and so gormless. But seems so determined to be famous in his own right, despite no specialist skill set. I wonder do famous parents ever encourage their children to go to uni and get a real job? Or is that not an option? There are plenty of fulfilling jobs he could do, teaching, nursing, even volunteering ( as he clearly doesn't need the money)
I feel bad for him as he gets mocked online, but he still seems determined to put himself out there.
Money aside, I do feel sorry for the children of spectacularly talented parents, it must cast a long shadow. ( I repeat, money aside...😅)

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Fizbosshoes · 28/01/2023 13:52

Whether you like them or not, DB and VB are extraordinarily successful and talented. VB was mega famous in the Spice Girls - it’s ridiculous and catty to say she’s untalented.

David was a good footballer and AFAIK got into professional football by merit. Because he is good looking, he got more attention, and probably more sponsorship offers, than team mates (at a similar time I remember there being posters of Lee Sharpe and Ryan giggs in teen magazines, but not all footballers got that level of attention)
VB went to a theatre school and was successful in getting into the Spice girls. Part of that will be down to ability, partly luck/having the opportunity. (Or just having the right look/personality that they wanted) There will be hundreds of girls who can sing and dance better than she can so it clearly isn't all down to talent.
Together they made more of an impact and began brand Beckham. She had no experience or qualification in fashion, art or design so I'm not convinced she has immense talent in that department either, but they are obviously very ambitious and successful. It's not offensive to say being ambitious and successful is not the same as being incredibly talented. They are 2 separate things.

Once you become famous for one thing, all sorts of opportunities become available. Think of the amount of celebrity authors (David Walliams, David Baddiel, Fern Britton, Richard Osmond, Steven Mulhern, Marcus Rashford to name but a few) do you actually think they're successful writers because they're the most talented?

x2boys · 28/01/2023 13:53

martinisforeveryone · 28/01/2023 13:26

The thing is, if he'd done the training, he could have been a celebrity whatever.
No doubt his parents' names and wealth got him into Parsons, which is extremely prestigious and a big tick for anyone's CV in the art world and an internship with Rankin, the same. If he'd stuck to it, or alternatively a proper culinary course and then restaurant training. He'd have had an easy 'in' to a high profile career where he could pick and choose how much work to do and still keep a public profile.

Mary McCartney learnt her craft and is a photographer (and cook) who's benefited from her name, but proved herself in her field. Stella similarly. The likes of the Roux family, or Jack Stein start with the name, but learn the trade thoroughly. Perhaps Buddy Oliver will keep on too, he's been doing his own cooking shorts. One of the Ramsay daughters did the same. Without their fathers they wouldn't have done it, but given the chances they actually delivered a decent end product.

Brooklyn's brother, Romeo, may not have got a go at professional football without his father's introduction, but at least he's serving some time at a junior level with a team's 'B' side, doing the hard yards, not wanting to be in Man U's starting 11 or throwing in the towel.

I understand that BB may not have found his real calling yet, but without some work ethic and staying power he's not likely to. I remember Jack Ramsay doing a programme where he went to live with another family for a short while. The lifestyles couldn't have been more different. Obviously that was for TV and was brief, but in the Marines he'll no doubt have had a lot of stick for his famous name and face, but it's a path he's chosen for himself and he's following it on his own merits. At the end of the day, that's what's going to bring fulfilment in life, having skill(s) that you've worked on and achieved rather than flitting from one thing to another and being ridiculed on social media.

Isn't Romeo in his 20,s now too?
lots of extremely talented young footballers are in the A team by Romeo,s age because of their talent Football is a short lived career Romeo might not be in the A team not because he's learning his skill maybe he's just not good enough?
I think one of the Beckham boys released a Xmas album a few years ago that was a bi t crap.too ,they all week desperate for fame.

Roussette · 28/01/2023 13:53

Interesting isn't it that he hasn't secured a position, any sort of position, via Gordon Ramsay. Given that the parents are supposedly very friendly, I wonder why? As a PP said... what an opportunity.
Maybe even starting off at the bottom, via a GR introduction, is too much like hard work for him.

SleeplessInEngland · 28/01/2023 13:54

naybe if enough people make fun of him he’ll eventually have a moment of clarity. So carry on, I say.

Roussette · 28/01/2023 13:58

Also... watching him make vegan lasagne... he has no knife skills. He doesn't rock the knife like proper cooks and chefs. It all looks so amateur. My DD who is actually a v good cook has been on a knife skills course so that she does it properly.

Why doesn't he start with the basics or is that too boring

Alaimo · 28/01/2023 14:00

InsomniacVampire · 28/01/2023 13:39

Lots of people who go to uni are not 'university material' if you mean Oxbridge dudes sitting on University Challenge. Which does noe mena there would be no degree out there that BB could succeed in and enjoy- or aletrnative form of education via apprenticeship or something that would give him an actual job/trade that is not an influencer or whatever he claims to be atm.

It's not about Oxbridge though. The guy has, I assume, an expensive school education. If he hasn't shown his academic potential so far then there's no point in him attending university. Even at the local ex-poly he'd be expected to read, write essays, and be self-motivated enough to do those things independently.

stbrandonsboat · 28/01/2023 14:01

In spite of receiving a good education these children of famous people never seem to go for regular jobs or careers. They're never nurses, civil servants, driving instructors, engineers, solicitors, administrators, psychologists, teachers, academics etc. Same with the Royal Family. They should just go for regular careers/occupations instead of sitting around being rich, but useless. Don't they get bored? Even the dimmest person can train for something.

Toddlingturtle · 28/01/2023 14:04

Roussette · 28/01/2023 13:53

Interesting isn't it that he hasn't secured a position, any sort of position, via Gordon Ramsay. Given that the parents are supposedly very friendly, I wonder why? As a PP said... what an opportunity.
Maybe even starting off at the bottom, via a GR introduction, is too much like hard work for him.

Because I seriously doubt GR would give him any leeway and would expect him to put the hours and effort in and start from the absolute bottom and he probably can’t see the point of putting him through that. I think most chefs expect anyone, regardless of who they are work their way through the ranks as it’s their hard earned reputation whhxh is on the line

musingsinmidlife · 28/01/2023 14:05

Roussette · 28/01/2023 13:53

Interesting isn't it that he hasn't secured a position, any sort of position, via Gordon Ramsay. Given that the parents are supposedly very friendly, I wonder why? As a PP said... what an opportunity.
Maybe even starting off at the bottom, via a GR introduction, is too much like hard work for him.

I don't think Gordon is really into giving all his rich friends kids fake careers. He doen't seem like a big supporter of nepo baby world.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 28/01/2023 14:06

I suppose a lot of celebrity couples are so egotistical that they're convinced there's no way that their offspring could ever possibly be just average, Their scion will have the good looks and talent of both parents squared. DNA sprinkled with fairy dust! So they push them into the limelight from birth, positive that their child is a celebrity in the making...and then the child turns out to be average looking, averagely intelligent, a perfectly pleasant but unremarkable sort with no obvious talents.

Then they probably phone their agent and business manager to complain.

Pedallleur · 28/01/2023 14:06

Ramsey put the work in.Long hours in hard kitchens under brutal chefs. Celebrity was an afterthought built on his Michelin stars. The Beckham's put the work in when they were in their chosen professions. Some children of famous people do other things Roger Taylor of Queen has a son who is a drummer but another is a Doctor. Ramsey has a son who is a Royal Marine.

x2boys · 28/01/2023 14:06

Roussette · 28/01/2023 13:58

Also... watching him make vegan lasagne... he has no knife skills. He doesn't rock the knife like proper cooks and chefs. It all looks so amateur. My DD who is actually a v good cook has been on a knife skills course so that she does it properly.

Why doesn't he start with the basics or is that too boring

Because he's an " Aspiring Chef" don't you know he doesn't need to learn the basics ,he wants the game now ,not in a few years when he's proved his "talent "

BrookeDavisQueen · 28/01/2023 14:07

Ultimately his parents had to GRAFT. DB in particular was not the most talented kid, he put the hours in to get where he got. You either have that in you or you don't.

Sceptre86 · 28/01/2023 14:07

It's a tough one. I've seen kids from normal parents that lack work ethic and self awareness. I have cousins similar. My uncle and aunt both grew up in poor families respectively but went to uni excelled in their jobs and have decent incomes. Their kids lack the drive their parents had and are all in low paid jobs. I worry about my own because dh and I came from similar low income backgrounds and are now doing well. I hope that my kids will see how hard dh and I work and model that but who knows? Will they have the drive and passion to succeed?

I wish him the best, I don't think he is very self aware and comes across a bit gormless. Harmless though but a bit naiive. It does seem ad if they've tried different avenues to get him into a career but when he's got the bank of his parents to fall back on where would the drive come from? Also the makers of his chefging blog almost seem to be laughing at him and setting him up for a fall. It's a shame.

x2boys · 28/01/2023 14:07

Fame*

Miniestelle · 28/01/2023 14:08

viques · 28/01/2023 13:42

I hope things don’t sink so low for him that he hits rock bottom and is forced to sell his body on the streets

Hookin’ with Brooklyn

😂

he could open a poultry processing factory?

Pluckin’ with Brooklyn

aonbharr · 28/01/2023 14:08

SleeplessInEngland · 28/01/2023 13:54

naybe if enough people make fun of him he’ll eventually have a moment of clarity. So carry on, I say.

but @SleeplessInEngland it is just not there, it won't compute. That is why I can't understand why his people aren't looking out for him more. He is a bit like Britney Spears without the energy and to be fair to him, I'd say he is a nice guy.

Thighlengthboots · 28/01/2023 14:11

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 28/01/2023 09:51

There are many people I feel sorry for.

Homeless children. Assault victims. People who’ve grown up in poverty. People who’ve lost their jobs.

A talentless, over privileged, millionaire, deluded nepo baby ain’t on my list.

THIS. Why would I feel sorry for him? he's had the best of everything, access to to a top education, contacts, experts in whatever field he chooses to work in, he has had the luxury of being able to study if he so chooses without having to work three other jobs to do it, etc etc and is still an idiot. Many, many people dont even have access to basic education so no sympathy here I'm afraid and frankly, I find it a bit odd anyone would.

viques · 28/01/2023 14:11

Miniestelle · 28/01/2023 14:08

😂

he could open a poultry processing factory?

Pluckin’ with Brooklyn

Or take a job on the phone help lines for EasyJet

Booking with Brooklyn.

martinisforeveryone · 28/01/2023 14:11

DaveyJonesLocker · 28/01/2023 13:38

I think when things come too easily to someone they don't develop as fully. We need to struggle and work for things to truly succeed in life I think.

I do feel sorry for him a bit. It isn't his fault he had everything handed to him on a silver platter and he is trying to make something for himself.

But what a lot of people are saying is that he isn't actually trying to make anything of himself because it's too hard. He had a book out but quit his photography course. He says he's a 'chef' but the reality is a few reels online of him knocking up a snack. He doesn't seem to actually apply himself to anything with any end result other than gaining attention.

He didn't need to be academic university material. He could've gone to live abroad and acquired language skills. He could've become a documentary maker. All sorts of avenues and opportunities would be open to him. Princess Margaret's son learnt carpentry and only then when he was good at it, formed a furniture making partnership and gained his own celebrity through that.

If I feel sorry for BB it's that his life seems aimless and over shadowed by his famous parents and potentially his siblings' achievements, but at the end of the day, that, so far at least, is all his own making.

@x2boys I'm only saying about Romeo that he hasn't given up simply because he couldn't start at top level. He's obviously not that super talented, may not even be kicking a ball without his Dad's influence, although Brentford's boss says that he's there because they think he's a good player. My point is he's doing the day to day at a level, a less glamorous level, which I would equate to BB learning all the stations in a restaurant kitchen.

aonbharr · 28/01/2023 14:13

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 28/01/2023 14:06

I suppose a lot of celebrity couples are so egotistical that they're convinced there's no way that their offspring could ever possibly be just average, Their scion will have the good looks and talent of both parents squared. DNA sprinkled with fairy dust! So they push them into the limelight from birth, positive that their child is a celebrity in the making...and then the child turns out to be average looking, averagely intelligent, a perfectly pleasant but unremarkable sort with no obvious talents.

Then they probably phone their agent and business manager to complain.

You know I do wonder can they not see the circus and ridicule around their son and worry for him? Or are they equally as thick?

Justasec321 · 28/01/2023 14:14

Minimalme · 28/01/2023 10:01

VB is really talented - everyone laughed when she ditched a singing career (and she can't sing) to become a high end fashion designer.

But she did it and - years later - is highly respected and successful.

She is not a fashion designer.

She is someone with enough money to hire designers, and enough of a profile to promote it.

Very different.

Roussette · 28/01/2023 14:16

viques · 28/01/2023 14:11

Or take a job on the phone help lines for EasyJet

Booking with Brooklyn.

Or help lil beavers build their cute little dams in brooks by providing lots of twigs and branches at strategic points of a stream.

Brookin' with Brooklyn. Grin

theworldhas · 28/01/2023 14:17

@TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl
I’m a big football fan and whilst Beckham was average, he’s enormously overrated. And also bad tempered and selfish - remember the World Cup red card? Absolutely intolerable behaviour

Oh come on. David Beckham was an extremely talented footballer. 265 games for Man Utd and 116 for Real Madrid - probably the two biggest clubs in the world. Countless trophies and over 100+ England caps given by several different managers. Probably one of the top 20 English players of all time. No, he wasn’t a Messi, Ronaldo, or Maradona, but nor was he overrated.

Interesting quote from Ferguson:

"He was never a problem until he got married. He used to go into work with the academy coaches at night time, he was a fantastic young lad. Getting married into that entertainment scene was a difficult thing – from that moment, his life was never going to be the same. He is such a big celebrity, football is only a small part."' – Alex Ferguson speaking about Beckham's marriage in 2007.

Miniestelle · 28/01/2023 14:17

He fascinates me to be honest.

I don’t feel ‘sorry’ for him as such but I feel like I want to gently steer him in the right direction. Tell him he doesn’t have to do this anymore.

He always comes across to me like he has just hatched from an egg and is overwhelmed by the world.

I feel like I want to nurture him.

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