Circumcision

[SouthAfricanmuminUK]

I was thoroughly abused by several English mums of my acquaintance for having my sons circumcised at birth. Although I did my research and found it to be better from a number of perspectives, nothing would convince them it was reasonable. I am wondering if they will retract their accusations now that it has been revealed that Diana, saintliest of all mothers, had both her boys circumcised ...

I don’t understand the cleanliness argument. It’s simply easier to clean. I had one boyfriend with a circumcision and it was the weirdest looking thing I have ever seen! He also wasn’t as clean there as he should be as he ‘didn’t need to be, it’s cleaner innit!’ Didn’t last long. DH is uncut, he showers daily and gives himself a proper wash (possibly pays a bit too much attention to that area like most men😂). I have never noticed any smell or ‘cottage cheese’ deposits.

It is a thing that needs doing sometimes, and it is potentially more complicated, painful etc if done later.

literally nobody on this thread is saying meducally necessary circumcision shouldn't happen.

I'm going to require evidence for it being more painful if done later - I strongly suspect that's based on an older child or adult man's ability to communicate.

Chopping part of a baby's penis off if it's not for a good medical reason is barbaric. There is nothing in this thread that has convinced me otherwise.

And for those trying to compare it to an earlobe (weird but ok) - in terms of nerves and nerve endings it's equivalent to inner labia, not an earlobe. It's like chopping an inner labia off.

lol, k hun

Laugh out loud about mutilating baby boys... Normal

I think I read that PH said PD was not in favour of circumsicion but that Charles’s decision prevailed

Friend’s brother died when he bled to death after circumcision on the day he and his mum were due to be discharged from the maternity hospital.

mUtiLaTinG

I asked my husband if he feels "mUtiLaTeD" and he just laughed. He's glad his parents had him circumcised.

He wouldn’t know what he’s missing though will he? Ask any uncircumcised men if they’d willingly lose their foreskin - they wouldn’t.

@ElonsMusky your DH is lucky then. There are plenty of men who feel very differently - about a procedure they were not able to consent to. Just because your DH is OK with it, that does not mean the practice is acceptable.

LOLing at men who suffer after effects of infant circumcision is in extremely poor taste.

My late husband was also circumcised. He agreed if we had boys, we would not do it to them.

Lucky him

FYI Think there is something wrong with your keyboard as well...

'thoroughly abused by several English mums'

I struggle to believe this. But why would you care when being so sure of your choice.

@ElonsMusky

Of course one must ask one's husband about all.

It is mutilation. It is not ok. Just cos hubby laughs, doesn't mean chopping off parts of a newborn boy's penis is ok.

YABU. It’s child abuse.

yet there are many men that do feel mutilated.

See the bloodstained men, intact america, circumstitions.com and yourwholebaby.org.

there are many 'intactivists'

I'm not LOLing at them. I'm LOLing at women who think they know what's best for a man's dick.

except for all the ones who do it when they come of age.

nothing "missing" but a useless skin flap.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23937309/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20The%20highest%2Dquality%20studies,%2C%20sexual%20sensation%2C%20or%20satisfaction.

Conclusion: The highest-quality studies suggest that medical male circumcision has no adverse effect on sexual function, sensitivity, sexual sensation, or satisfaction.

Thank goodness your husband speaks for all circumcised men! Your argument is so robust, how will anyone ever be able to disagree.

Quoting one study doesn't add any weight to your argument. I could have done that in my thesis and failed spectacularly. There are countless studies out there, I could pick one to support my argument on most topics.

It goes against a mother's natural instinct to harm her child, well any decent human being actually!

@ElonsMusky so every single man who is suffering adverse effects is lying then... A study can never speak for every single individual because it extrapolates to populations, but when it comes to medically unnecessary surgery performed on newborns who cannot consent, even one individual man affected is too many - and there are many, many more.

My partner and sons trump your husband. Soooooo that's fucked your argument

It depends on the study, but some place trauma quite high.

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle6/

Hammond's (1997) sample of circumcised men reported emotional harm (83%), physical harm (82%), general psychological harm (75%), and low self-esteem (74%). The circumcised men frequently reported feeling mutilated (62%), unwhole (61%), resentful (60%), abnormal/unnatural (60%), that one's human rights had been infringed (60%), angry (54%), frustrated (53%), violated (50%), inferior to genitally intact males (47%), impeded sexually (43%), and betrayed by one's parents (34%). Similar findings emerged from a larger sample of 546 circumcised men studied by Hammond (1999).

There is likely selection bias there, but if men are actually asked to consider it, it’s a common report. Certainly not zero. Which means it needs to be considered as a negative consequence of newborn circumcision.

The psychological impact certainly shouldn’t be hand waved away.

What’s an acceptable number of males being psychologically harmed to you? 1000? 10,000?

And what do you say to those males about their experience when balanced against the lack of benefits of newborn circumcision?

My father was circumcised as an adult for medical reasons. He says there is some loss of sensitivity.

My husband is circumcised. Our sons are not. They are now grown and happy we left it to them.

No, that isn't true at all.

I'm not surprised the other person's husband laughed. I think that sounds like an authentic response.