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AIBU?

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AIBU to go from cosleeping to controlled crying with 6m old?—

49 replies

LionMama · 19/01/2023 15:57

Anyone got any experiences of doing this?

I know there are gentle methods but everything I’ve tried hasn’t worked.

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MollyMunster · 19/01/2023 15:59

We tried it with our oldest, but only lasted about 5 minutes. She was so upset, we couldn’t stand it.

We moved her into her own room in stages with no crying, but it wasn’t possible until she was older. She wasn’t fully in her own bed until 18 months.

StrawBeretMoose · 19/01/2023 16:03

That doesn't sound like a good idea, I expect it would be a shock to the system.

I'm very against controlled crying anyway but even if I were in favour it seems too much of a culture shock to go from cosleeping to that. Cosleeping was actually my best chance at getting sleep.

What would your ideal night be? Your baby is still very young.

Cap89 · 19/01/2023 16:06

We did it with both of ours. We usually only co-slept for the second half of the night, but by 6 months both my babies were waking every 45 mins to an hour even Co sleeping and then taking another hour to get back to sleep. Excruciating for all involved. We went from this to sleeping through the night in their own cot in 2 nights with my first, and 3 with my second. Not fun, but I 100% believe it was the right decision.

Greensleeves · 19/01/2023 16:06

I think that would be terrifying for your baby, and risk causing real trauma.

6mo is still very young. I wouldn't even be thinking of moving him/her into their own room this early, but if you really must, then I would focus on that first, and do it gradually. Controlled crying (or any kind of sleep training) isn't appropriate for a child this young.

moregarlic · 19/01/2023 16:09

Have a read through of wellrested's excellently communicated point on this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/sleep/4722523-what-does-crying-it-out-actually-mean-practically?page=2

This is a great article too, also linked to in that thread www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/opinion/sunday/baby-breastfeeding-sleep-training.html

"This idea comes, perhaps surprisingly, from 1980s Romania, where thousands of children lived in orphanages with very little human contact for months or even years. One of the things visitors noticed in these places was the eerie quiet. Babies didn’t cry, because they knew no one would come. The argument is that “cry it out” does the same thing.
This is absurd. Sleep training methods do not leave the infant for months without any human contact, nor do they suggest subjecting children to the other types of physical and emotional abuse that occurred in those orphanages.
To learn about the impact of sleep training, we need to study it in the way it is actually used. Fortunately, many people have, and in a lot of those cases they used randomized trials.
Consider an Australian studydy of 328 mothers whose 7-month-old babies were having problems sleeping. Approximately half were assigned to do a sleep-training regimen, and the others were not. In the short term, the authors found significant benefits: The intervention improved sleep for children and also lowered parental depression. But they didn’t stop there.*

They returned to evaluate the children a year later and five years later, when the children were 6. In this later follow-upup, which included a subset of the original families, the researchers found no difference in any outcomes, including emotional stability and conduct behavior, stress, parent-child closeness, conflict or parent-child attachment. Basically, the kids who were sleep-trained looked exactly like those who were not.
These results are not an outlier. Review studies of sleep-training interventions do not find negative effects on infants. And many show sizable improvements in maternal depression and family functioning. Sleep affects mood, and parents who sleep less feel worse. The evidence paints a pretty pro-“cry it out” picture.
Nonetheless there are academic articles that argue against it. One small study that gets a lot of playay_ shows that in the few days after sleep training, mothers are less stressed, but the same is not true of infants. The researchers interpret this as a signal that the mothers and children are losing emotional touch with each other, but this is a stretch. Why not interpret the evidence to say that cry-it-out relaxes parents without hurting children?
Fundamentally, the argument against sleep training is theoretical: that some children are devastated, even if those results don’t show up in the data, or that the damage may not manifest until babies are adults.
I think it is fair to say that it would be good to have more data. It’s always good to have more data! However, the idea that this uncertainty should lead us to avoid sleep training is flawed. Among other things, you could easily argue the opposite: Maybe sleep training is very good for some kids they really need the uninterrupted sleep and there is a risk of damaging your child by not sleep training."

JuneOsborne · 19/01/2023 16:11

Ah honey, it must be really bad if that's where you're at. What's going on? Hope you're ok.

And brace yourself AIBU may not be kind to you today. I'm hoping people will realise that you must be at your wits end already.

moregarlic · 19/01/2023 16:13

We followed the advice in this thread (essentially gradual retreat): www.mumsnet.com/talk/sleep/1394888-What-worked-for-us-Hope-this-helps

We went from waking every hour to sleeping through in a couple of days. Now have a happy, rested toddler who sleeps through the night but will shout for me if there's a problem.

Emmamoo89 · 19/01/2023 16:19

YADNBU X

ReadtheReviews · 19/01/2023 18:36

Yabu. Gradual changes at such a small age. Everything is a phase anyway so dont do anything that drastic.

MajorCarolDanvers · 19/01/2023 18:42

One extreme to another like asking an addict to go cold turkey.

YABU you need a transition in between.

themonkeysnuts · 19/01/2023 18:44

at 6months they need love and comfort not lying in a cot screaming

RayaRyder · 19/01/2023 18:50

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lailamaria · 19/01/2023 19:22

your baby is only 6 months old! of course they're waking up crying in the middle of the night they're a baby

Frosty1000 · 19/01/2023 19:34

Babies don't sleep, adjust your expectations and 6 months is way too young for being in own room as well. I get you're on your knees with exhaustion, I was blessed with a child that didn't sleep through until he was 5 😳😳😳 but CIO is not the way in my opinion.

But full disclosure I am a great believer of gentle parenting methods so I may be biased. Pick up, put down may work or the moving chair thing but it is really too soon 🤷‍♀️

ChristmasTensions · 19/01/2023 19:40

Great idea if you want to traumatise your baby.

Isthisexpected · 19/01/2023 19:40

Babies don't sleep, adjust your expectations and 6 months is way too young for being in own room as well.

^ this. I also recommend Sarah Ockwell Smith. I despair at these posts. It's like babies have six months then the parents are like yeah I'm too tired to be a mum/dad now and meet your needs I want my pre baby sleep life back. Time to sleep train. I wish there was some kind of mandatory course on what having a baby might mean beforehand!

RedHelenB · 19/01/2023 20:06

It used to be the norm for baby to be in their own room by 6 months. All mine slept through by that age and they were bf, not every night but certainly most of them if they werent poorly or teething. And it was the same for other babies I knew. Maternity leave was only 4 months so sleep was a necessity.
If you feel the time has come OP do it, an exhausted mother and baby is not the only scenario.

Doowop1919 · 19/01/2023 20:08

My son woke constantly the first year of his life...it's absolutely normal even if hard and a nightmare living through it. We coslept and I always responded. He then started sleeping through himself at 17 months old without any input from me (although sleep already improved from 12 months). Babies wake in the night, every 20-30 minutes sometimes. I know it's hard but it's just normal and I do think it would be cruel to go from cosleeping with a 6 month old to cry it out/controlled crying. They won't understand why you've suddenly left.

Circe7 · 19/01/2023 20:21

I think it’s still pretty normal to move a baby to their own room at 6 months? Most people I know have done this often due to space constraints for having a bigger cot in their room. I just moved ds2 at 7 months though he sometimes comes into my bed in the middle of the night. Presumably most people put their baby to sleep and then spend some time downstairs at that age anyway so there is a period of a few hours where baby is sleeping alone in any case.

RayaRyder · 19/01/2023 20:26

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MattieandmummyandIs · 19/01/2023 20:26

Are you sure about this? It's going to be one hell of a shock for the baby and pretty traumatic. Is there another way you could do this, perhaps a gentler method?

honestlyno · 19/01/2023 20:30

JuneOsborne · 19/01/2023 16:11

Ah honey, it must be really bad if that's where you're at. What's going on? Hope you're ok.

And brace yourself AIBU may not be kind to you today. I'm hoping people will realise that you must be at your wits end already.

Echo this. Hope you work it out. Transition feels like the best way. Good luck.

Didimum · 19/01/2023 20:57

I’m a big advocate of sleep training, but I would first transition them into their own room for a few weeks, and start after that.

Nanny0gg · 19/01/2023 21:07

I thought they recommend keeping baby at least in your room till they're a year? Or is that wrong?

Coffeeandchocs · 19/01/2023 21:23

Isthisexpected · 19/01/2023 19:40

Babies don't sleep, adjust your expectations and 6 months is way too young for being in own room as well.

^ this. I also recommend Sarah Ockwell Smith. I despair at these posts. It's like babies have six months then the parents are like yeah I'm too tired to be a mum/dad now and meet your needs I want my pre baby sleep life back. Time to sleep train. I wish there was some kind of mandatory course on what having a baby might mean beforehand!

I always feel like this when reading these kinds of posts too.

For me, I can’t wrap my head around why, people who are perfectly attentive and kind to their babies during the day, decide that after 7pm they can just switch that off and it’s ok!