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AIBU to go from cosleeping to controlled crying with 6m old?—

49 replies

LionMama · 19/01/2023 15:57

Anyone got any experiences of doing this?

I know there are gentle methods but everything I’ve tried hasn’t worked.

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Cap89 · 20/01/2023 07:52

Isthisexpected · 19/01/2023 19:40

Babies don't sleep, adjust your expectations and 6 months is way too young for being in own room as well.

^ this. I also recommend Sarah Ockwell Smith. I despair at these posts. It's like babies have six months then the parents are like yeah I'm too tired to be a mum/dad now and meet your needs I want my pre baby sleep life back. Time to sleep train. I wish there was some kind of mandatory course on what having a baby might mean beforehand!

Sorry, respectfully, this, and indeed most of the replies in this thread, is such complete crap.

Sleep is a fundamental human need. Show me a study that convincingly proves any damage to infants who are sleep trained and I will show you a hundred that convincingly prove that sleep deprivation can be catastrophic for both physical and mental health. Which is exactly what you should be piling onto new parents, and let’s face it, probably mainly the new mother, right? Because she signed up to this, right? It serves her right for not being fully prepared? What utter sanctimonious bollocks. I’m not advocating sleep training straight out of the womb, my second practically co slept for half the night from day one. But by 6 months with both of our children, every time I moved or breathed they woke, furious. They’d probably been fed about 45 mins before, so were not hungry, so couldn’t be fed back to sleep again, rocking didn’t work, bouncing, whatever. They just screamed because they were exhausted, I cried, my husband cried. Eventually they’d settle, somehow, and then an hour later I’d breathe again and the whole thing would restart. In the day time I couldn’t properly attend to their needs because I was exhausted. My mental health was suffering. I wasn’t the mum I wanted to be.

At 6 months we moved each of our babies into their own rooms. We used ferber’s controlled crying method and within days they both slept through and have done ever since. They no longer spent half the night screaming because they desperately wanted to go back to sleep but couldn’t. They just slept.

I 100% believe that a regular good night’s sleep has been fundamental for me and my husband being good parents, but also our children being happy, energised and be ready to learn and play in the day. Anti sleep training advocates make so many unproven assumptions about ‘damage’ and ‘trauma’. By the same token, I could argue that essentially purposely depriving my children and myself of a good night’s sleep for what could be years, through really important stages of their mental development, that that could also be potentially very damaging. Not to mention the damage caused by exhausted parents who end up at the end of their tether regularly barking or snapping at their kids.

You’re welcome to self flagellate all you like. But don’t make other people feel guilty for making different, probably more sensible, decisions for their families.

CuntyChopss · 20/01/2023 08:01

No proof of harm and proof of no harm are very different things. Sleep training advocates site studies that state the former, rather than the latter. Just think about that.

Would you leave you baby to cry during the day? No. Would you leave another adult in another room sobbing and wailing? No. I’m not sure why or how anyone does leave their baby to cry for any length of time tbh but you do you.

HaddawayAndShite · 20/01/2023 08:03

They no longer spent half the night screaming because they desperately wanted to go back to sleep but couldn’t. They just slept.
They no longer spent half the night screaming because they learned despite their screams no one was coming. They understood their primary caregivers abandon them during the night. They just slept.

Fixed it

Cap89 · 20/01/2023 08:17

HaddawayAndShite · 20/01/2023 08:03

They no longer spent half the night screaming because they desperately wanted to go back to sleep but couldn’t. They just slept.
They no longer spent half the night screaming because they learned despite their screams no one was coming. They understood their primary caregivers abandon them during the night. They just slept.

Fixed it

Lol. Yea, this is definitely what happens. My children wake and lie in their cots silently miserable knowing they’ve been abandoned. Of course they bloody don’t. They sleep. If they naturally stir, they aren’t scared because they’re in the same comfortable place they were when they were kissed good night, and like adults, they roll over and go back to sleep. And if they do wake in any distress for whatever reason, of course they cry, and of course we go to them, because it’s a sign somethings wrong, not just that they want to go back to sleep and don’t know how.

Rowen32 · 20/01/2023 08:46

Sounds traumatic to the extreme for me...

RedHelenB · 20/01/2023 13:19

CuntyChopss · 20/01/2023 08:01

No proof of harm and proof of no harm are very different things. Sleep training advocates site studies that state the former, rather than the latter. Just think about that.

Would you leave you baby to cry during the day? No. Would you leave another adult in another room sobbing and wailing? No. I’m not sure why or how anyone does leave their baby to cry for any length of time tbh but you do you.

Have you not learned your babies cries yet?

FigAndOlive · 20/01/2023 15:40

Not at all! I feel into the trap of cosleeping after a long haul flight, baby spent the whole night flight on the nipple and then BOOM! It was the only way she would feel asleep and to keep sleeping she needed the nipple in her mouth! It was ATROCIOUS to say the least. After 10 nights of this torture (she would relax her body and unlatch so I was woken up every 45min, so I was not only sleeping like a statue without moving an inch but I was barely sleeping anyway). MN will tell you it is abuse etc, but we went from this situation to ferber/controlled crying and it was BLISS! It literally transformed my motherhood experience and our family. Baby is much happier and rested during the day, mom and dad have a quiet evening off to recharge our batteries and a full night sleep so we’re rested to give her all the love and cuddles next day! I really don’t understand this fixation MN has on cosleeping as 99% it is so tiring for the mom and baby and damages so much the couple’s intimacy (and I am not talking about sex, but pillow talk with husband, etc…). Also I am not a teenager to have quickies around the house! Just go for it! By the way she cried 25min the first night which is soooo much less from what she cries in her car seat up until today LOL

RayaRyder · 20/01/2023 16:05

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FigAndOlive · 21/01/2023 07:54

I understand with works well for a minority but I don’t get people coming to MN asking for help on how to stop cosleeping (and it is clearly not working for them otherwise they would just crack on) and getting no help whatsoever other than “enjoy they cuddles/they grow up so fast/teaching them to self settle is abuse”. I don’t chase threads praising cosleeping to say it’s abuse and they are undermining kid’s autonomy and independence, etc. if they are happy, I don’t care.

Any relationship needs presence to work, I read so many stories of mothers that need to go to bed at 7pm because their kids don’t stay asleep unless they are touching them, and sometimes that lasts years and years. It’s madness! So yes, as you say, mine is probably very fragile as I really need to see him at least once a week to make it work. 🤷‍♀️

evemillbank · 21/01/2023 07:58

Why would you do that. Seems pretty cruel

RayaRyder · 21/01/2023 08:01

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BabyOnBoard90 · 21/01/2023 08:03

YANBU.

It works if you commit to it. Do whatever is best for your situation. Strangers on the net won't understand

evemillbank · 21/01/2023 08:25

Teaching a baby to give up all hope that their parent is going to come when they cry at night just isn't a great thing. It only 'works' because they have given up hope.

FigAndOlive · 21/01/2023 11:14

I never understand this explanation of “they give up on crying because nobody is coming so they stop asking”. I sleep trained but kept a feed for months so my baby literally cried for me every night and was responded with a feed. She also cried when there was a nappy leak or she made a poo. She also cried when waking up for the day in the morning so I could pick her up. She simply didn’t need a nipple in her mouth to fall asleep and keep sleeping instead of waking up every 45min and call for help. I suppose if she had just given up crying for help she would just be 100% silent from the moment she was put in the crib until the moment I decided to pick her up in the morning? It just makes no sense to me to say the babe lost hope on crying as they keep on crying for a variety of reasons. I also have a baby monitor with a tracking app that shows me movements and brief wake ups during the night and not even for a moment I saw this traumatized scared baby with her eyes wide open but not crying because nobody is coming. This is bollocks!

willithappen · 21/01/2023 11:29

I don't think I'd do it at 6 months. Although I say this as someone who has their 12 month old co-sleeping with her currently. I'm starting to look at my options for moving her into her own room but I don't think I could have done it before now.
What we did was take the travel cot into our room when she grew out of the next to me and we put her in there when she falls asleep. She'll wake up around 4am ish crying and I just pick her up and into bed with us for the rest of morning.
It works for us now.
Try a bed in your room and getting her to sleep in there

Emmamoo89 · 21/01/2023 11:57

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This is bs. Yes they learn it when they're ready but they can learn it before toddler age. My son did at 11 weeks.

Emmamoo89 · 21/01/2023 12:01

Ignore the negative comments. It's not cruel to sleep train. I was going to do it before I go back to work but extra boobie has done the trick and got my son sleeping right through again. But do what's best for you and your baba. Sleep is so important for their development. And a happy not tired mama equals a happy baba. Being sleep deprived is dangerous. X

Darkstar4855 · 21/01/2023 12:03

I’d try moving them into their own room first but still go in and resettle them if they cry. I found this improved both my sleep and my baby’s sleep without any sleep training.

Once they’re used to being a separate room you could then try some gentle sleep training if things haven’t improved.

Kamia · 21/01/2023 12:07

Have you tried a bassinet and then gradually a cot nearby and when they are older you can put them in their own room?

Emmamoo89 · 21/01/2023 12:13

Definitely put your baba in their own room. I did with my son at 11 weeks and we slept so much better for it. If you keep them in your room you'll keep each other awake. X

Hiddenmnetter · 21/01/2023 12:26

Yeah 100% MN classic bullshit about CC being traumatic and abusive. CC the baby- at 6 months it’s the perfect window, my only addition would be ensure they’re eating solids before bed so they’re actually full all night (top up with BF/bottle before sleep) and then they won’t be waking hungry in the night. Did it with all 4 of ours and they all sleep through the night, 12 hours+ and we can function as parents.

RayaRyder · 21/01/2023 13:00

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Coffeeandchocs · 21/01/2023 13:26

Emmamoo89 · 21/01/2023 12:13

Definitely put your baba in their own room. I did with my son at 11 weeks and we slept so much better for it. If you keep them in your room you'll keep each other awake. X

This is dangerous advice. The lullaby trust who do brilliant work to educate prevent SIDS recommend you keep baby in the same room until at least 6 months old.

Whatever your stance is on sleep training is personal preference. You should, however, at least practice safe sleep.

Coffeeandchocs · 21/01/2023 13:27

Emmamoo89 · 21/01/2023 12:01

Ignore the negative comments. It's not cruel to sleep train. I was going to do it before I go back to work but extra boobie has done the trick and got my son sleeping right through again. But do what's best for you and your baba. Sleep is so important for their development. And a happy not tired mama equals a happy baba. Being sleep deprived is dangerous. X

Leaving a baby on their own overnight at 11 weeks old is more dangerous than a sleep deprived mother

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