Page 4 | Well said Mr P - response to teacher strike

MrsMurphyIWish · 2023-01-18T11:15:13+00:00

No AIBU, just wanted to share. Solidarity doe those of us striking and to those who are questioning why, please take a listen … https://www.facebook.com/reel/708926614094881?fs=e&s=9RfQYY

dogdaydown · 19/01/2023 07:34

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 07:30

You feel up these threads en masse trying to convince hard working families that you are doing a good thing, and lying mostly.

Anyone that counters a different opinion is subjected to a nasty pile on not unlike the school playgrounds you work in.

It is a total disgrace. No one supports this in real life. No matter how much you tell us you are striking for better schools. I am calling bull shit.

It is all about the money for your back pockets, at the expense of supporting pay rises for our exhausted healthcare work force that haven't had a real raise in such a long time. They deserve it, not you.

I don't understand your first paragraph?

The rest of your post is ridiculous and it's not a race to the bottom.

Both deserve better pay and conditions.

Agree with the hard working NHS staff getting rewarded, what's to be done with the non hardworking ones? Of which there are many.

dogdaydown · 19/01/2023 07:35

noblegiraffe · 19/01/2023 07:34

Ignore Swiss, she's going round all the teacher threads posting inflammatory nonsense, you'll get no joy from engaging.

Damn, sorry I bit before I saw this 🤦‍♀️

Whyarewehardofthinking · 19/01/2023 07:40

realmsofglory · 18/01/2023 17:15

Techers need to wake up. They are on an above average salary of over £30k which gives a rate of £155 per day for days actually worked (39*5) for what might be a quite stressful, but lets face it, not all that skilled job

I hope you are being sarcastic and not just a cunt.

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 07:49

What a disgusting and offensive name to call someone Whyarewehardofthinking are you actually teaching our young children???

dogdaydown · 19/01/2023 07:51

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 07:49

What a disgusting and offensive name to call someone Whyarewehardofthinking are you actually teaching our young children???

I hope so, she sounds awesome!

FunctionalSkills · 19/01/2023 07:55

One wider question. We seem to get people on mumsnet purely posting to get a rise out of people.

Why? What do they get from it? It disrupts threads looking at the issues as people engage with them (I did until noble reminded us not to do so).

It's not just this thread/person but often happens in threads I'm on. Do people come who don't care but get a kick out of abuse/disruption or are there bots or people encouraged to do so for political means?! I feel quite naiive to it all.

Whyarewehardofthinking · 19/01/2023 07:57

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 07:49

What a disgusting and offensive name to call someone Whyarewehardofthinking are you actually teaching our young children???

I'm called it several times a day, the effect is some what watered down.

But genuinely, if that is what they think, and feel that is is necessary to post here, on a thread supporting those of us who feel like throwing away a 20 year career after the utter destruction of the education system, then they are a cunt.

An uneducated cunt.

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 07:58

And for those teachers struggling to read and comprehend basic English:

The first paragraph was amended (time to improve those observation skills folks) You fill up these threads en masse trying to convince hard working families that you are doing this for their children, to improve schools.

But you are not! And the claim it is somehow for the kids is entirely disingenuous dog you are striking for more money for yourself and thats it. Nothing else.

The argument that somehow if you get paid a bit more that will magically result in attracting more teachers to the profession, no it won't.
You either want to teach or you don't. You either find half a year on holiday and total freedom exciting or you don't. You either enjoy working with young people or it is not for you etc etc. If you hate the job, as most of you appear to on this thread, then it won't be you no matter what we pay you! Nothing will be enough for this endurance as you describe it!

This strike is about pure greed

I would have much more respect for you if you joined the picket lines of the nursing unions rather than grasping for more money for yourselves.

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 08:00

Whyarewehardofthinking · 19/01/2023 07:57

I'm called it several times a day, the effect is some what watered down.

But genuinely, if that is what they think, and feel that is is necessary to post here, on a thread supporting those of us who feel like throwing away a 20 year career after the utter destruction of the education system, then they are a cunt.

An uneducated cunt.

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I won't engage with such gutter level posts thanks.

dogdaydown · 19/01/2023 08:06

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 07:58

And for those teachers struggling to read and comprehend basic English:

The first paragraph was amended (time to improve those observation skills folks) You fill up these threads en masse trying to convince hard working families that you are doing this for their children, to improve schools.

But you are not! And the claim it is somehow for the kids is entirely disingenuous dog you are striking for more money for yourself and thats it. Nothing else.

The argument that somehow if you get paid a bit more that will magically result in attracting more teachers to the profession, no it won't.
You either want to teach or you don't. You either find half a year on holiday and total freedom exciting or you don't. You either enjoy working with young people or it is not for you etc etc. If you hate the job, as most of you appear to on this thread, then it won't be you no matter what we pay you! Nothing will be enough for this endurance as you describe it!

This strike is about pure greed

I would have much more respect for you if you joined the picket lines of the nursing unions rather than grasping for more money for yourselves.

I'm not a teacher though!

So what's your point?

Do you have anger issues that you feel the NHS should be able to treat? Sometimes you have to help yourself? Try google for ideas maybe?

Whyarewehardofthinking · 19/01/2023 08:10

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 07:58

And for those teachers struggling to read and comprehend basic English:

The first paragraph was amended (time to improve those observation skills folks) You fill up these threads en masse trying to convince hard working families that you are doing this for their children, to improve schools.

But you are not! And the claim it is somehow for the kids is entirely disingenuous dog you are striking for more money for yourself and thats it. Nothing else.

The argument that somehow if you get paid a bit more that will magically result in attracting more teachers to the profession, no it won't.
You either want to teach or you don't. You either find half a year on holiday and total freedom exciting or you don't. You either enjoy working with young people or it is not for you etc etc. If you hate the job, as most of you appear to on this thread, then it won't be you no matter what we pay you! Nothing will be enough for this endurance as you describe it!

This strike is about pure greed

I would have much more respect for you if you joined the picket lines of the nursing unions rather than grasping for more money for yourselves.

Nope, my pay, whilst behind inflation by a ridiculous figure, I don't want a payrise. One would help, as my DP cannot work no2, as a teacher, for more than 10 hours a week after covid nearly killed him. Covid from a student right here in his school who was sent in despite being positive (forgive me if that is arsy, but it still burns).

I want the government to fund it so it doesn't come from my school's budget that already cannot afford to pay for thr 19 TAs we legally need, but only have 12. For the catering staff that we keep losing because the pay is so low (but I can make a few hundred sandwiches so that is what I do if I'm not already covering an absent member of staff).

I want my students to have qualified teachers and not a revolving door of non-specialist supply because we cannot recruit maths and science teachers as they earn more in industry.

I want to not worry every time we have a windy day because if ant more of this building is damaged we will have to close anyway.

I want funded mental health support for my students because no fucking person should be trying to dismantle a toilet cubicle to get to a student who is hurting themselves.

I want to stop spending my own money on breakfast for students who come in early for extra support with my A level subjects.

I want to make it to 50 without having to leave on grounds of ill health. Because my mental health is shot.

I want our education system to stop failing the students. Every single day something devastates me, because we are failing them.

Milany · 19/01/2023 08:26

Teachers - I support your strikes. I hope the government listens.

Yes, childcare is going to be a pain for me (and many others) when teachers aren't in but it doesn't mean I shouldn't support proper recognition of the job they do.

My children's education isn't going to be destroyed because they can' go to school for a few days.

All those people moaning about how teachers have it easy... if that were the case why don't they put their money where they mouth is and go and enjoy the easy life and become a teacher?

Lottapianos · 19/01/2023 08:28

'But you are not! And the claim it is somehow for the kids is entirely disingenuous dog you are striking for more money for yourself and thats it. Nothing else.'

And if that's true, then so what? Why should teachers not have decent pay and conditions? Why should they be expected to martyr themselves? None of them are demanding brand new Bentleys or holidays in Barbados. It's utterly disingenuous to accuse them of greed

dogdaydown · 19/01/2023 08:29

Milany · 19/01/2023 08:26

Teachers - I support your strikes. I hope the government listens.

Yes, childcare is going to be a pain for me (and many others) when teachers aren't in but it doesn't mean I shouldn't support proper recognition of the job they do.

My children's education isn't going to be destroyed because they can' go to school for a few days.

All those people moaning about how teachers have it easy... if that were the case why don't they put their money where they mouth is and go and enjoy the easy life and become a teacher?

Exactly, why is there a shortage of teachers? 🤔

AWaferThinMint · 19/01/2023 08:29

I'm not a teacher. Never been a teacher. But I couldn't agree more with him.

I do think of teaching as vocational and disagree with him there. A bit like healthcare, I can't imagine doing it if I didn't really want to.

But that shouldn't equate to not being appropriately remunerated and being given appropriate funding for resources. Same as healthcare. A role being vocational doesn't mean someone should be treated poorly. Vocation doesn't mean you live it so much you'll take any abuse, just that it's a job you feel in your soul. (I know what mine is but I don't do it for practical reasons)

Teachers need to be paid well for their work. I want the teachers looking after my kids to feel secure. I want to schools you have enough staff and enough funding that they can look after my kids education without concern.

Milany · 19/01/2023 08:31

Sorry if my above post re childcare made it sound like I think you're babysitters. That wasn't what I meant and I don't think you are. I just wanted to acknowledge the impact it will have on working parents. I still support your strikes though.

Milany · 19/01/2023 08:35

Just thought of all those "What should I get my teacher as a Christmas present?" posts where people suggest getting them a box of glue sticks or pencils because they don't have enough to go round their class.

I mean, c'mon. That' not right, is it?

Stickytreacle · 19/01/2023 08:58

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
I'd rather have our kids well educated and a benefit to society in the future, with the best educators having access to the facilities and supplies they need and recognition for the important role they play.
Sick of education establishments being seen as only childcare and social services, the government needs to invest in our children, that begins with those who educate them.
I'm also not a teacher.

barneshome · 19/01/2023 09:00

StalkedByASpider · 18/01/2023 12:44

It's a tricky one, isn't it?! I wish I had an easy answer.

If working to rule would achieve something, then that would be an excellent first step. But in reality not everyone would do that, and would probably just result in performance management issues being recorded! Plus as you say, it probably would just mean the nicer stuff for the kids being dropped.

I think it depends on personal circumstances but in the private sector, if you don't like pay and conditions, you resign.

I know that's not always possible, especially if you're tied to a pension that you don't want to leave. But for some, it could be an option. Maybe moving to the private sector is a better option? If people were leaving in their droves, and unions were campaigning/communicating why, it would send out a very big message and it would force change.

I don't normally comment on this because it's easy to be misinterpreted as being unsympathetic and unsupportive, which I'm really, really not. I completely understand the frustration.

I think it's just the principle of striking - "I'm going to stop doing my job until I get the pay and conditions I want". It's a form of blackmail essentially, isn't it? I'm not saying that to be an arse, I promise! I don't know. I'm autistic and tend to see things in black and white, and I guess I just struggle with the idea of holding people to ransom until you get what you want (even if what you're asking for is entirely reasonable). It feels wrong?

I mean, if the government actually invested in our public services properly, it wouldn't even need this discussion. I think it's a very long way back from the mess it's in now. And I don't think striking will change anything.

I worked in sickness benefit claims for about 15 years. And the vast majority of our claimants were teachers. Who were all off sick long-term with.....stress/anxiety/mental health issues. And I left that profession 10 years ago. Teachers have had a shit deal for a very, very long time. Radical change in our system, funding and schooling is long overdue for the sake of our teachers and children alike.

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Yes stress talking to children
They should get in the real world

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 09:16

Lottapianos · 19/01/2023 08:28

'But you are not! And the claim it is somehow for the kids is entirely disingenuous dog you are striking for more money for yourself and thats it. Nothing else.'

And if that's true, then so what? Why should teachers not have decent pay and conditions? Why should they be expected to martyr themselves? None of them are demanding brand new Bentleys or holidays in Barbados. It's utterly disingenuous to accuse them of greed

lottapiano Many teachers are pretending here and elsewhere that they are fighting for all sorts of things, not just money.

It is just not true.

Embarrassed no doubt at their brazen attempt to jump on the striking bandwagon holding hard working families to ransom for more money. There is no higher motivation present as they claim.

And the reason it is so brazen is simple, they have had a pay rise last year between 5-9% to their pay already, conditions and holiday entitlement are very good and the best in the country (in terms of holidays) when compared to other professions and public servants.

Mary is not demanding that children have more books, equipment, better food and lovely buildings to enjoy, no Mary is a bandit and she is just demanding more money and that is it.
And yes my niece, also a teacher, has been to Barbados! She went last August, so the idea that teachers are scraping at the bottom of the heap is pure illusion and lies.

This is greed pure and simple greed, and it weakens the position for nurses and paramedics, as they very well know because as a country we simply can not afford the demands between 12-19% for everyone but they don't care!

They are (mostly) out for themselves, a new breed of bitter, abstract militancy from the Corbyn wing - most of whom are completely out of touch with reality. Thankfully there are some wonderful teachers out there too, that love their jobs and are not whinging relentlessly.

The teachers will earn respect when they can show they are decent, hard working, committed pillars of society and not the angry leftie mob we see on here.

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/teacher-strike-pay-talks-ministers-urged-find-more-money

dogdaydown · 19/01/2023 09:19

Swissmountains · 19/01/2023 09:16

lottapiano Many teachers are pretending here and elsewhere that they are fighting for all sorts of things, not just money.

It is just not true.

Embarrassed no doubt at their brazen attempt to jump on the striking bandwagon holding hard working families to ransom for more money. There is no higher motivation present as they claim.

And the reason it is so brazen is simple, they have had a pay rise last year between 5-9% to their pay already, conditions and holiday entitlement are very good and the best in the country (in terms of holidays) when compared to other professions and public servants.

Mary is not demanding that children have more books, equipment, better food and lovely buildings to enjoy, no Mary is a bandit and she is just demanding more money and that is it.
And yes my niece, also a teacher, has been to Barbados! She went last August, so the idea that teachers are scraping at the bottom of the heap is pure illusion and lies.

This is greed pure and simple greed, and it weakens the position for nurses and paramedics, as they very well know because as a country we simply can not afford the demands between 12-19% for everyone but they don't care!

They are (mostly) out for themselves, a new breed of bitter, abstract militancy from the Corbyn wing - most of whom are completely out of touch with reality. Thankfully there are some wonderful teachers out there too, that love their jobs and are not whinging relentlessly.

The teachers will earn respect when they can show they are decent, hard working, committed pillars of society and not the angry leftie mob we see on here.

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/teacher-strike-pay-talks-ministers-urged-find-more-money

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You voted Brexit didn't you? You also read the Daily Mail don't you?

Lottapianos · 19/01/2023 09:31

Swiss, that's just nonsense from start to finish. Good for your niece, I hope she had a great time in Barbados

Treaclemine · 19/01/2023 09:36

Once upon a time we all went to school. And while we were there, we all met a teacher who was a pain, who treated us like dirt and who we remember with hatred. But most of us also met teachers who were not, and whose effect on our lives outweighed the effect of that bad one. And we really need to look at the profession as it is, and not try and get back at the bad one by posting rubbish about greed.
Back when I was engaged in it, we though we had sorted out pay and conditions with various reports and their consequences. It wasn't until the back pay after the Houghton report that I could afford a washing machine. I used to do my washing in the bath. And the report before that got me a small portable B&W TV. The salary then wasn't enough for one person. Anyway, we thought it was all sorted and we would never have to campaign and strike again. But here you are, and guess what. It's a government of the same colour as had to be struck at back then. I remember my reaction to Mrs Thatcher congratulating herself over those awards and thinking how out of touch she was with how people had to live to do the job. Buying class stationery, for example. Normal stuff like that.
Greed my eye.

dogdaydown · 19/01/2023 09:37

And yes my niece, also a teacher, has been to Barbados! She went last August, so the idea that teachers are scraping at the bottom of the heap is pure illusion and lies.

Barbados, good on her! Did you only make Bournemouth is that why you're jealous?

TheHumanSatsuma · 19/01/2023 09:45

MrsMurphyIWish · 18/01/2023 17:21

@realmsofglory

As an English teacher, I’ll exhibit my skills.

-Teachers
-Let’s
-full stop

And also piss off to one of the other bashing threads, this is a thread for support.

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