Well said Mr P - response to teacher strike

[MrsMurphyIWish]

No AIBU, just wanted to share.

Solidarity doe those of us striking and to those who are questioning why, please take a listen …

www.facebook.com/reel/708926614094881?fs=e&s=9RfQYY

Not that skilled?

I work in Initial Teacher training and early career teacher training. The depth of training required for just those first few years is enormous. The skills required are ones I definitely don't have at all! And it takes a lifetime commitment to continuous professional development and changing curriculum and research about best practice in teaching.

I'm dreading the strikes as a parent but I totally support them. I'm unbelievably outraged at how pathetic school budgets already are and that schools are expected to fund meagre pay increases from existing budgets. Even if you don't care about teachers (and you should), care about the disastrous state of school budgets and the impact on children.

I love that scene. Schools should be palaces, incredibly expensive for government but free for the children who go to them. If only...

skilled in terms of the subject material? KS1-4 or do you mean what they learn on a 9 month PGCE?

Subject material is knowledge and can be learned. Skills are totally different. Managing classrooms, challenging pupils, differentiating work for less able and more able pupils, planning sequences of lessons to the curriculum, creativity, being engaging for pupils, adapting to different keystages and she groups, adapting your skills to a range of totally different subjects in primary, managing parents and carers.... And that's the tip of the iceberg I'm aware of and I'm not a teacher

*year groups

Techers need to wake up. They are on an above average salary of over £30k which gives a rate of £155 per day for days actually worked (395) for what might be a quite stressful, but lets face it, not all that skilled job*

Embarrassing.
Good luck teachers. The education system is broken and many of you are on your knees. You deserve better.

Also, it's not like teachers get QTS and do a 9 month PGCE and are done. These days they do another two years of the Early Career Framework training and support. And then teachers have ongoing CPD for their careers.

Fellow teacher here who will will be on strike. It’s so refreshing to have support on here, and to see that people understand all the different challenges we face on a daily basis. Thank you 😊. Sadly I’m used to constant teaching bashing occurring on social media 😞

Yes things have changed somewhat over the years. I am a subject mentor to a first year ECT and it is even more intense than my NQT year was

I love Mr P! He is spot on with this.

Not all that skilled?!

Jeeezus but you sound ignorant.

Are you naturally this ridiculous, or do you have to work at it?

Come and watch me do my job for a week, then spend a week doing it whilst I sit on a beach somewhere. Then tell me I'm not that skilled - if you can still speak.

thingumybob
Not remotely above average for people with a postgraduate qualification

Also from your link/s:

We classify a PhD as a higher qualification than masters and PGCEs, and masters as higher qualifications than PGCEs

Arts and humanities students are less likely than STEM students to study for a masters or PhD, but are much more likely to to a PGCE.

We see that returns to doing a PGCE are lowest for those with the best outside options: those studying at the highest-status institutions or having studied undergraduate degrees that on average lead to high earnings.

Median earnings of PGCE graduates are higher than those of undergraduates and nearly as high as those of masters graduates.

In general, we show that postgraduate degrees appear to offer insurance against bad labour market outcomes. This is particularly true for PGCE qualifications, which significantly increase the chances of having ‘good’ earnings by age 35, but simultaneously reduce the chances of achieving moderately high earnings (for example, above £50,000).

primarily due to PGCE students having studied undergraduate subjects with lower earnings potential on average. We get a final estimate of the returns to PGCEs at age 35 of -2% for men and +1% for women.

Arts and humanities students are less likely than STEM students to study for a masters or PhD, but are much more likely to study for a PGCE.

Yep not a skilled job! Just spend a few minutes on the NCETM website and plan this weeks lessons on augmentation and adapt the PowerPoint slides to make sure you have emphasised the KC, stated the success criteria and don't forget to make sure you have referenced the 5 E's. Come on you don't need much skill to do that!

Today I taught my class English, music, did playground duty, then maths, phonics, took them in for lunch and did a lunch Lego club, did 5 reading groups one at a time whilst monitoring the rest of the class doing the handwriting I modelled, then taught religious education, P.E. then time for marking with WWW and EBI.

Shame I so obviously wasted my 4 year Bachelor of Education and Master of Arts in Education special needs on this low skilled job. Thank goodness the parents of the children I teach quite well, actually would disagree and respect the job that I do, the talent I have for it and the education I am able to provide for their children. Even in these hard times I would not swap this low skilled job for any other!!

ive changed union so I can strike, I really really don’t want to, but i don’t know what else to do at this point. Im personally incredibly privileged as im able to work part time which saves my sanity. It’s the shortage that’s worrying, my school and the school my kids go to are really nice, both in wealthy catchments with full rolls, and both have struggled to recruit enough specialists to cover gcse classes this year, if they’re struggling what’s it like in a council estate school with a poor ofsted? The most vulnerable children will be the ones getting the worst deal and it’s just crap. We need more graduates.

if the government aren’t prepared to pay nurses I don’t fancy our chances, but we need to make a fuss about this because kids only get one really good chance at education and we need to do better for them.

Stop voting tory!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏

If people were leaving in their droves, and unions were campaigning/communicating why, it would send out a very big message and it would force change.

People ARE leaving in droves, it's been a problem for years and as someone who has been trying to communicate this to parents on this site for a long time, NO ONE has been listening. Nothing has changed.

If you are unaware that education is in crisis, that there's a critical shortage of teachers, that class sizes are huge, that SEN support has been removed, that subjects have been dropped from the curriculum because we either can't afford teachers or there's no one to teach it, that school buildings are on the verge of collapsing, that the number of people on teacher training this year is horrifyingly low even after years of missed targets, that kids are being taught by any warm body the school can put in front of them, that kids are having to teach themselves A-levels because their teacher quit and can't be replaced, and you're only finding this stuff out because teachers are going on strike and schools may close, then THAT is a good reason for teachers to go on strike.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11651275/amp/Shock-10-000-extra-teachers-set-join-picket-line-SWITCHING-unions.html

Don’t often link to the DM (unless to slate them) but it appears the strike ethic is strong. We need to do this to ensure generations to come have quality teachers!

@noblegiraffe Bloody good post.

Erm you are not striking for first rate school establishments or better books and equipment, if you were families and children would join you on the pickets - maybe and you know most of our schools are not perfect but they are more than good enough.

What you are striking for is more money for yourself.

Despite the fact you have had pay rise, well above most and spend half the year on holiday!

I would rather the money was directed towards the nurses and paramedics

You are severely weakening their chances of a proper pay deal but doing this. As the government can't possibly pay everyone.

Nothing to add, this says it all 👏

You feel up these threads en masse trying to convince hard working families that you are doing a good thing, and lying mostly.

Anyone that counters a different opinion is subjected to a nasty pile on not unlike the school playgrounds you work in.

It is a total disgrace. No one supports this in real life. No matter how much you tell us you are striking for better schools. I am calling bull shit.

It is all about the money for your back pockets, at the expense of supporting pay rises for our exhausted healthcare work force that haven't had a real raise in such a long time. They deserve it, not you.

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Ignore Swiss, she's going round all the teacher threads posting inflammatory nonsense, you'll get no joy from engaging.