To be really worried about proposed teacher strikes.

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In England not Scotland for context. My twin daughters are year 11 and I am terrified about the impact of teacher strikes on their GCSEs. They have not yet covered the curriculum and every day counts to get them exam ready so strike days will be disastrous for year 11 and 13 pupils ( and lots of other children especially those who are vulnerable) these kids have had their education impacted by covid and now strikes. This will make the divide between state and private schools even bigger. Do you think they will go ahead or if a safety net will be put around exam years if it does.

Department of health and social care get. 180billion, so that 42 should go to education and libraries etc.

I imagine you're congratulating yourself on some kind of clever "gotcha" there.
But firstly, it is not schools who hand out fines but Local Authorities.
Secondly, it's already been explained on the thread a few times that there is a difference between one child being off when the rest of the class are in, and the lesson not taking place becaue they're all out. In the latter scenario, the lesson will be repeated.

Term time is considered part-time, that's why in payroll you have FTE equivalent salary. So advertising for a teacher you would have the annual salary then the FTE salary for comparison. No one is saying you're lazy, but it's a very unique position to be paid the same as most full time workers with 13 weeks off a year. Nurses are an example. But again, it's not comparable because they are usually full-time.

I can’t decide if you genuinely don’t understand how teaching pay works, (I tried to explain it as simply as I could, and even threw in a joke or two to lighten the load) or if you are being vexatious.

Yup.

Think they're a politician the way they're slipping away from answering a straightforward question.

We weren’t asked. We were told that if we are asked, we have to ask for it in writing and then to contact our unions.

The unions have coordinated strikes going forward, forcing school closures.

So advertising for a teacher you would have the annual salary then the FTE salary for comparison.

No you don’t.

Unfortunately there's a shortage in recruitment across the board, even catering assistants who don't need any qualifications and can earn £10+ an hour with very little responsibilities are not being attracted into posts. It's not just teaching.

No you are wrong there.

sorry to be thick do non union teache4rs still go in on strike days or do they just stay off

Honestly? ODFOD.

viques has you bang to rights. I don't know what your agenda is, but I can't be worrying about it as I'm off to do around 2/3 hours work in preparation for tomorrow.

They go in. If they stayed out, they'd be absent without leave and could be disciplined.

I would prefer work to rule! I’m just not sure how it would work for newer, less confident staff that are scared to say no.

How do we demand it? A lot of people with physics degrees simply won't consider it for the pay (low compared to what they could earn elsewhere) and the stress (high compared to other roles available).

When I trained, there were about 8 physics teachers in my science cohort- that's with a £28k tax free incentive to train. I don't know where they all ended up, but of the ones I know, the last one left teaching has just taken a post in an international school, so she's leaving teaching in England.

The situation for physics teachers is so dire, it's often really difficult for them in their NQT/ECT years as they don't have a subject specialist mentor, and they end up with loads of exam classes. Often by their second year, they're expected to de facto lead their subject and produce resources for biology teachers teaching physics.

Because of the high turnover and the poor physics teaching in KS4, it's a less popular A-level and degree choice than the other sciences, and it's become a really vicious cycle.

I actually genuinely don't know how we solve the problem- it has been going on for years and years, and it may have got beyond solving.

But it won't be long before all the sciences go the same way, and other subjects too. Maths, in some ways, is in a similar state, but normally at least you're not the lone specialist in your department.

If you said all people teaching physics (at what level?) had to have a physics degree or physics PGCE, then you'd essentially be baring a number of schools in England from teaching physics.

No one is saying you're lazy, but it's a very unique position to be paid the same as most full time workers with 13 weeks off a year.

Most full time workers with a degree and post grad qualifications? Really? I cited social work - £6k more as a newly qualified workers with 5 weeks more working hours when leave is taken into account. I’d love to see your examples of entry level posts requiring a post grad level qualification paying £25k starting salary. But I’m guessing you won’t be sharing those.

Yes, their pay is divided into 12 payments which includes the paid holiday entitlement with the unpaid holiday entitlement not included.

No. Teachers from other unions or those who chose not to strike will go in. This might mean that the school can open. Or the school is closed but teacher do other tasks. There is always stuff to do.

Oh and who considers it part-time? You? Honestly, you're taking the piss now. Reveal what you do and we'll rip apart your pay and conditions- that's if you work, that is .

What would you not do as part of "working to rule"?

And who would it actually benefit/hurt?

Action short of a strike benefits parents at the expense of children IMO.

Are you the same poster who was on the Nurse strike threads staying nursing is a well paid job too?
Arguments are similar.....

We might be able to make do without a bar meal at our fav pub but we can't do without well trained and motivated teachers....

Term time is considered part-time, that's why in payroll you have FTE equivalent salary. So advertising for a teacher you would have the annual salary then the FTE salary for comparison. No one is saying you're lazy, but it's a very unique position to be paid the same as most full time workers with 13 weeks off a year. Nurses are an example. But again, it's not comparable because they are usually full-time.

13 weeks off? Sorry, come again? Time away from school is not always time off work.

For reference, the NUT have been out on strike previously without the NASUWT (NUT then merged with the ATL to form the NEU).

In those strikes, primary schools sometimes kept classes open for NASUWT teachers but children whose teachers were NUT stayed at home. At secondary, many schools closed.

My school closed completely to pupils, but NASUWT and non-striking staff had to go into school (signing in) and do a day of general admin.

Yeah, I did!

5 more weeks working hours is quite a lot. The point in the holiday entitlement is most stressful jobs don't get that time to recover.

ok thanks interesting was wondering if that wold seem to g against the strikers