Furries in IKEA

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Am I the only one who thinks this isn’t appropriate? Surely it’s no more appropriate to be naked in public than to walk around dresses up for a sex game? Do IKEA have a responsibility to safeguard their young guests?

I was particularly taken aback by this paragraph ;
‘Although many think it is a sexual fetish more often than not dressing up like animals is a fun escape for a community of people who enjoy expressing themselves in this way.’
is this true? I’ve never heard of this being done in a non sexual manner

I just watched the video. I am not sure about the uproar here.
Both men were fully clothed...they were wearing a mask and tail. The walked through the cafe as any person would. I used to wear a lot worse in my goth years.
In my home town, there are are a few people who wear a furry mask and tail. They just walk about... no harm done.

If you think your kids are going to get upset or think it is sexual, then that is something you are projecting on them.

Meaning what, with your little winking emoji? Genuinely going to need an explanation on that one.

Saw a guy with a skirt, my dad didn't notice it was a guy but did point out they had a tail. Really didn't have the heart to explain, it was a furry butt plug.

How could you tell it was a butt plug?

I never said they did?

Not many ways to fix a tail that protrudes from the hem of a skirt I would imagine. N butt plugs can have tails, fuck knows why am not a plug enthusiast. 😁

That’s indecent exposure and is a criminal offence, even when done to an adult, and even if that adult consented.

Bless your heart

Ah well that's ok then. Famously nice bloke, Nero.

So to summarise, because we don't want to police people's dress like Iran, we have to let some people prance about in public wearing clothes bought from fetish websites.

This is ok, because the DC don't know that the only reason people men do that is for sexual kicks.

It's ok to get your sex kicks from people who don't want to see you in gear from a fetish shop.

There's nothing we can do about people who can't moderate their own behaviour appropriately, or we'll end up making women wear veils.

Anything that's legal is fine, there are no offensive behaviours or acts that haven't yet been legislated against. We recently closed the last loophole with the upskirting legislation.

It's impossible to say what's inappropriate, because some people get turned on by stockings.

Getting turned on in front of children is absolutely fine and natural, and doesn't require you to have a word with yourself about better boundaries.

Let me think, have I missed anything? Oh yes,

Anyone who disagrees with the above is a dried up old spinster who needs a good shag.

I say again, Overton Window.

Well said @picklemewalnuts - I guess some people just don’t have social boundaries like most of us do and can’t see the line between what is acceptable public behaviour and what is not.

It is a concern that many police forces have been brought on side and encouraged to interact and pose for pics with furries and bdsm people at Pride marches in the guise of inclusivity so their boundaries of what is acceptable public behaviour esp with children present have been eroded. This means we, the general public, are less likely to get support from the police in situations like this one in IKEA.

A well known figure who is now dead managed to raise himself above all suspicion partly by holding big parties for various police forces and cosying up to them to ensure his immunity to prosecution. He abused many children free from police interference while being venerated by the ‘great’ and the ‘good’.

Spot on @picklemewalnuts

There are times when we are all shocked about what someone has been getting away with 'in plain sight'. Like @RichardBarrister 's aforementioned chap.

Then you read a thread like this and realise why. People prefer not to see. They choose to blinker themselves to the blindingly obvious.

I understand why actual deviants want to blinker themselves, it makes them feel better about their own behaviour. I don't understand why the other people on this thread- who I don't think are deviants- also choose to blinker themselves.
Why? What's in it for you? What are you getting out of being so open minded your brains have fallen out? Is it the fear of being seen as a dry old stick?

Honestly it's fine, I've survived quite a few years of such disapproval!

It is a concern that many police forces have been brought on side and encouraged to interact and pose for pics with furries and bdsm people at Pride marches

why is this a “concern”?

So, am I understanding this correctly? (I have to admit to not having read the entire thread).

The people in the video are likely to have a fetish that is about people giving them attention. This is a bad thing. We should ignore them.

I bet they are loving these 34 pages of comments about them in that case.

And I've overcome the fear of the words deviant and pervert, too. Turns out those words were the baby that went out with the bath water!

Can't define "kink"? Perhaps people can, perhaps not.

But we live in a society which can't even define "woman" now - and the definition of "trans" has morphed from someone who has a deep discomfort with their sexed body, and needs to change it, into someone who says they are the opposite sex because they "feel" that they are.

Many of these are men whose "distress" with their sexed body it so great that they keep their genitalia which they redefine as a "lady penis". Some are women who hate being female so much that they intentionally get pregnant and have babies while continuing to take testosterone - and who knows what effects this may have on a developing foetus?

Some individuals swap backwards and forwards between genders as it suits them. And the recent conflation of "sex", which is observable, biological, and immutable, with "gender" which is society's expectation of typical behaviour of members of a particular sex, which constantly changes, which varies culturally, and which can't be observed, has caused many problems.

Sex is NOT gender.

No-one changes sex. Ever.

Prude as I am, I may not be able to define "kink" in a way that would satisfy you, but I can recognise fetishism. If people want to indulge in "kinks" or "fetishes", that's their choice as long as they do it with other consenting human adults in private. When people's private practices intrude onto other people's lives, and into the pubic arena, particularly when there are children present, then that is inappropriate.

Well said @Emotionalsupportviper

It is a concern that many police forces have been brought on side and encouraged to interact and pose for pics with furries and bdsm people at Pride marches (my observation)

You ask why is this a “concern”? @EastLondonObserver - as I said in my comment it is part of the process of grooming the police that was successfully pioneered some years ago by a prolific sex offender.

I saw a video yesterday of a woman in a gym who was ogled by a man in the women’s changing rooms while she was undressed. She called the police who told her ‘it was complicated’ and refused to do anything because there was a suggestion that he was claiming to be trans.

If there was no suggestion of him being trans, the man would most likely have been arrested for voyeurism. Those police have been groomed into accepting a change in boundaries of acceptable behaviour and act accordingly.

Police forces all over the country have been filmed dancing and participating in Pride marches. The Pride organisation, although it markets itself as family friendly, also encourages furries, bdsm practitioners and nudists to join the parades.

If no one objects/ gets kicked out if they object and their bosses are encouraging them because it gets them Stonewall points, the police officers feel that it is now socially acceptable to see this interaction with children and are therefore far less likely to act if a member of the public reports furries enacting their fetish in front of children in another space.

Wow - where to start with this!

First what is wrong with being furry, a practitioner of BDSM or a nudist?

Second, there its nothing wrong with taking children to Pride - yes, even with some of the above in attendance. From an excellent article in GQ on this issue: "A lot of oppression is hidden within a nebulous desire to “protect” children – it’s never made explicit from what but you can guess.It smacks of homosexuality being some kind of deviance, that exposure to it will tempt the helpless youth into our web of sin. We expose children to much scarier worlds than the LGBTQ one. Think of the casual racism, sexism, terrorism, violence and frightening populism that swirls around us at every turn. You could argue – and indeed I would – most kids are better off experiencing as much of the world to avoid being confused or scared later in life or, worse still, lashing out against those who are different from them. Childhood innocence is a myth that only protects parents from explanations – nothing more."

Third, to equate all of the LGBTQ+ community with your unnamed celebrity is plainly inaccurate, although it's so obvious it's barely worth stating.

First what is wrong with being furry, a practitioner of BDSM or a nudist?

If people want to do theses things - fine. But not in public. Keep it among yourselves and don't effectively force other people to be complicit in your interests.

I notice that you group nudists/naturists in with "furries" and "BDSM". These are entirely different and I am sure that you are aware of this.

@picklemewalnuts sums it up
perfectly. It’s obscene that men are getting sexual kicks from wearing fetishwear in front of children/an unconsenting audience.

The tails are most likely butt plugs.

so tiresome that people are arguing that we should all just be cool about it.

Oh, please. I love a bit of fetish but ....... IKEA?

I also love shouting: 'You're shit and you know you are' or '3-0 and you fucked it up'. But it doesn't go down well in the food hall at M&S.

There's a time and a place!

Comes back to a lot of what is discussed on the relationships board: if someone else having boundaries makes you uncomfortable, it says a lot about the problems with your own.

This. And walking around with a butt plug on display.

Someone doing this is using anyone who happens to be in their vicinity, their presence is a part of the thrill.

Using other people in sexual experiences without their consent is not appropriate, wrong behaviour. Using other people full stop is inappropriate, wrong behaviour.

If you happen to be fine about being involved in other people's sexual experiences, join a club. Go and have fun. Do it there in an appropriate way with other consenting adults.