Furries in IKEA

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Am I the only one who thinks this isn’t appropriate? Surely it’s no more appropriate to be naked in public than to walk around dresses up for a sex game? Do IKEA have a responsibility to safeguard their young guests?

I was particularly taken aback by this paragraph ;
‘Although many think it is a sexual fetish more often than not dressing up like animals is a fun escape for a community of people who enjoy expressing themselves in this way.’
is this true? I’ve never heard of this being done in a non sexual manner

Oh good, more creepy losers.

Once while shopping on Oxford St in early afternoon, a man sauntered past me wearing only stilettos and a bikini made of beads. G string, naturally. Didn’t hide much. But I was 13.

Some people want the whole world to be a background character in their sexual fantasies. 🤢

I think Ikea is very capable of making a distinction between a ND child dressed as Scooby and the chancers featured in that video.

Straight men hijacking a pre-existing subculture / identity and using it to involve kids and further their own sexual gratification, ?!?

Say it ain't so!

But don't dare point out the emperor has no clothes you bigot!

It’s interesting that they chose a family store in the middle of the day, instead of a pub. They wanted somewhere where they could guarantee that there would be attention from puzzled children, and their upset mothers, in an environment where no one would challenge them.

This wasn’t about the costumes, it was about getting a sexual thrill from making bystanders uncomfortable, and that’s why it’s not ok.

These are men who don't give a fuck about other peoples boundaries.

It most definitely is a kink. Those costumes are not benign. They look more like wolves than dogs. Preying on your children to normalise their kinks.

No thank you.

Yes, let's just ignore the people trying yo involve the rest of us in their kink.

Do you draw a line anywhere, out of interest?

I thought you meant like fursuits, which I wouldn’t have a problem with, but those leather mask things are gross. They’re not really “furries” and it is usually a sex thing.

Well yeah, if they were bothering me directly. That should have been obvious from my post. Otherwise while I think it's inappropriate it has zero impact on me. I'd just ignore them.

This.

It's a paraphilia, and involving the unconsenting public in their fetish.

Pup play

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore, beam me up ASAP.

And a lot of people are impacted and bothered by men involving them in their sexual kicks 🤷‍♀️

I’d like to know why none of the IKEA staff enforced the no pets allowed rule.

What a bunch of losers looking for a sad cheap thrill.

They're not furries, they're pups

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_roleplay

It's inappropriate if you know the context of what's going on, but I doubt children are going to be scarred by fully dressed men in a dog mask.

I'd like to say I'm shocked that some people are defending the rights of men to openly gain sexual thrills from non consenting women and children.

But I'm not.

To all the people minimising this and not seeing any issue with a family store being targeted by men wishing to display their fetish (I mean you can’t choose soft furnishings properly while crawling around on the end of a dog lead!), you may need to know more about the costumes - please excuse the unpleasantness of what I am about to say.

These ‘waggy tails’ are often butt plugs. The men who dress as furries for Pride marches etc display their butt plugs openly to children as Pride is advertised as family friendly. These men who like to display their fetish to children and are being facilitated by adults who have unfortunately lost a sense of what is appropriate for children and as a consequence have abandoned safeguards.

Whilst these are not furries, more pup fetishists, and while I don't feel it's always appropriate to take ones fetish into town, neither am I sure that:

involving non consenting children in their sex practices.

..is what's going on here.

It's not black and white, it's a sliding scale. If your fetish happens to be patent knee high boots, you're all good. Who decides where the line is?

My children would be more upset by a woman shouting at her children, or handling them roughly into a trolley, than by these three chumps.

Visually there's nothing harmful to a child going on here, only with the context of what they're doing does it become problematic, which children (and a lot of adults) don't have.

No doubt about it OP. Those people are very happy to parade their sexual fetish out in public.

However, when you have photos of young children 'patting' people in the same types of outfits and being celebrated, I think the most people can understand what is happening here.

Being seen in their fetish outfits is what going out to IKEA is all about.

Do you believe that people are not harmed in being involved in someone else's sexual fetish without express permission?

Do you honestly think that these people are not sexually aroused by being out in public and people unwillingly and unknowingly participating in their fetish?

Where does the line exist for you?

If their fetish was only the costumes, and they were doing it in private, nobody would care.

The reason they are out in public is because they require a non-consenting audience.

The shock, discomfort and confusion of onlookers is what they are deliberately seeking.

So, is it ok for someone to wear bondage gear and be publicly humiliated in public because children won't understand and just think someone might be dressed up in some cosplay outfit?

Is it all ok because no erect penises are seen?

What about when this type of exhibitionism is not that erotic anymore and those people want to step it up to something else? Will that not be a problem if it is not understood by children but children seeing those people in whatever they wear for that next exhibition high are adding to the excitement?

So as long as a child is not aware that what's happening is "wrong" it's not a problem?

At what point does it start to become a problem?

When is it actually OK to tell men to fuck off with their kinks?

The shock, discomfort and confusion of onlookers is what they are deliberately seeking.

And sometimes having children come up to see the 'doggy' as we have seen at some of the parades. Or indeed, police officers.

All part of the excitement, innit.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1296744039396642816?s=20&t=iR8-nNs72K2kw9t_mlRvJQ

How could it be? It's not having sex with animals, it isn't indecent exposure. What crime would they be committing?

I just can't figure out how people can't see that normalising paraphilia in front of children IS the whole point for these men. It's not dissimilar from drag queen story time. Children having their boundaries blurred.

None of this is benign or harmless.

There was a post on another thread this morning which was asking how a mother should explain the phenomenon of the female penis to her 6 year old daughter, the fact that this should even be asked goes to show how far society is prepared to bend to accommodate males. The simple fact is that a child should not have to ever be at risk of seeing a 'woman' with a penis. Shoppers in Ikea should not have to see grown men with dog masks and tails, with or without but plugs.

I can't believe I'm had cause to type this to be honest. The world is going mad.

@Helleofabore

To bel clear, nowhere did I say that I felt it was appropriate. I know what they were doing in IKEA, I understand why they chose IKEA. The point is the transgression.

Do you believe that people are not harmed in being involved in someone else's sexual fetish without express permission?

I believe that it's possible that nobody was harmed by witnessing this. It's clear by the replies here, and also the initial newspaper report which didn't get it right, that most people wouldn't have a clue what they were doing.

Do you honestly think that these people are not sexually aroused by being out in public and people unwillingly and unknowingly participating in their fetish?

I don't know what was going on for these people, and nor does anyone without asking them. I also think it is important not to operate from a place of fear, and "what if...?"

If you stick to the facts of what happened, there were two men in leather dog masks wearing tails in IKEA the other day. If you feel you can sustain harm from that, then that's absolutely your right. I would choose not to be offended, personally, and save that for something harmful.

Where does the line exist for you?

The point is that the line of acceptability is different for everyone. Not everyone feels the same way about everything. No, for me, this isn't paticularly necessary of appropriate, but neither is it horrifying child abuse either.