Furries in IKEA

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Am I the only one who thinks this isn’t appropriate? Surely it’s no more appropriate to be naked in public than to walk around dresses up for a sex game? Do IKEA have a responsibility to safeguard their young guests?

I was particularly taken aback by this paragraph ;
‘Although many think it is a sexual fetish more often than not dressing up like animals is a fun escape for a community of people who enjoy expressing themselves in this way.’
is this true? I’ve never heard of this being done in a non sexual manner

I think we have a full card?

Who are you to decide what’s acceptable?

Unfortunately unless something breaks the law you kind of have to deal with the fact people have different views, lifestyles and attitudes to you. It doesn’t make someone unacceptable to be different to you.

Also pedophiles are referred to as MAPS when it’s necessary, as MAPS is for all those attracted to minors, not just pedophiles so it’s a term that includes a lot more than just pedophiles.

No different to calling a rapist a sexual offender, sexual offender includes more than just rapists so is used instead of ‘racist’ in some contexts when necessary,

But of course those on the hysteria train don’t stop to consider the facts and go straight in with being offended,

Someone not as anti trans will maybe look at the whole picture and the case itself, this teacher was fired and came back with the extra large chest, it’s much more likely this is a petty middle finger for the school board than intended to sexually involve children in anything.

Well, you're pretty clear that the intention was to use the children in the attempt to give the school board the middle finger, and that the most benign possible interpretation of his actions. The fact is, that using these comedy breasts to make a point is sexual in nature. This teacher isn't wearing a comic beer belly, for example, but has chosen very specific features which will draw the attention of anyone who sees, including the kids in the classroom. You may consider this accidental, but I think it was absolutely purposeful.

Someone not as anti trans will maybe look at the whole picture and the case itself, this teacher was fired and came back with the extra large chest, it’s much more likely this is a petty middle finger for the school board than intended to sexually involve children in anything.

What ever the motive the impact on the children is the same.

It just highlights how far the men's rights agenda has gone in Canada that this person can wear these breasts in school and there is nothing anyone can do about it because he claims a trans identity.

The fact is that we can't tell the difference because we can't read minds and the impacts on the children he teaches is the same. They are subjected to a man wearing sexualised prosthetic breasts in the school environment.

For the avoidance of doubt: Nobody objects to kink when it's consensual.

Not being ok with this doesn't make anyone a bigot. It's perfectly fine not to be ok with everything. It's definitely fine not to be ok with people wearing clothes they only sell on sex sites in public.

The people who do this kind of thing are PERFECTLY happy to say they're not ok with anyone who objects, call them hate filled bigots, call them prudes, hysterical pearl clutchers and all the rest of it. That's fine, that's your right to do so. And it's my right to say if you're getting your sexual kicks out of exposing children to adult clothing you're a pervert.

'kink' is not the problem. Non-consensual sexual activity is the problem. That includes several paraphilias.

Hysteria train - for wanting to protect children from over sexualised males acting out their fetishes in front of them.

Some people don’t consider breasts sexual in nature, so again. This is highly subjective. And why debates on this issue are somewhat pointless.

They chose the breasts due to why they were fired, again you clearly have very little understanding of the background to this ‘case’ and are basing your assumptions and opinions on bias, jumping straight to a negative view because you don’t like trans people.

Its human nature, don’t try and argue you’re not, if you don’t like someone or something it’s natural to default to negative assumptions

They chose the breasts due to why they were fired, again you clearly have very little understanding of the background to this ‘case’ and are basing your assumptions and opinions on bias, jumping straight to a negative view because you don’t like trans people.

How the fuck do you know their motives for choosing breasts with perma erect nipples?

excellent synthesis - thankyou

But I thought it was all about intent?

see this is where you and other posters are getting unstuck, you say intent is the issue here, but now you’re saying the end result is the same.

But earlier in this thread someone brought up the fact some people get off wearing tight jeans and people staring at them and was told ‘that’s different, due to intent’

But the impact is the same? People have been used in a sexual activity without their consent.

It would be helpful if you and others actually took a step back and tried to think what your issue is, as it keeps changing.

“Or this person was fired and is wearing these comedically large breasts as a fuck you to the school board.”

Have you just said that the male wearing the largest prosthetic breasts available with erect nipples is not trans?

How the fuck do you know their intent?

Odd you posted that to me, not the poster claiming their intent is to sexualise children,

Again, your bias is showing

But I thought it was all about intent?

Said who?

It's about blurring boundaries. It's about engaging children in sexual fetishes without their consent. Something that you are clearly happy with because men's sexual rights are more important that the right of children not to be subjected to these fetishes.

How can anyone not see the giant fake breasts as sexualised?
Do you really think it adds to your argument when you won't admit that it's inappropriate?

I used to lurk on these types of threads and it was the apologists for inappropriate shit that caused me to realise that something was wrong.
Do you really think most people, whether you class them as old bigots or not, would think those breasts are OK to wear in a school?
I don't give a shit what the intent is, the outcome is the same. Ridiculous inappropriate outfits are being worn in front of kids, and people like you are normalising it and excusing it and it's disgusting.
Call me any name you like, I'll gladly wear that badge safe in the knowledge that I'm not caping for men with sexual fetishes flaunting them in front of kids while going 'but how can we possibly know that the intent of a man wearing a fetish mask in front of kids, it could be completely innocent'.

@Quveas

FFS!! 🤦‍♀️ The children won’t know? Have you any idea about children? They might not realise in that exact moment, but they will grow up and realise that they have been subjected to a dirty perverts fantasy without their consent! Or even worse, they will grow up thinking this isn’notnal’ behaviour and that they’re the weird ones if they don’t partake.

I know you’re probably trying to be cool implying that ‘you shouldn’t kink shame’ but really there are some kinks that absolutely should be shamed and this is one of them!!

Good thing those dog men were consenting to wearing those outfits then isn’t it

Have you just said that the male wearing the largest prosthetic breasts available with erect nipples is not trans?

I'm not sure, perhaps they are confused because we are all transphobic, by the same token, for querying the motives.

But you don’t know what they’re getting kicks out of.

Thats the issue here, people are jumping to assumptions based on their biases, and yes in some cases, bigotry (those bringing in the trans teacher for example are clearly bigoted and are reaching to the worst assumptions based on that)

They are just as likely getting their kicks out of men looking at them, than children.

They could also be getting their kicks out of just being outside in their masks and the IKEA element isn’t important at all

They could be getting their kicks out of people laughing at them

There is also the tiny, minute possibility they’re not getting kicks out of this at all and it’s a very odd prank.

Key is, no one knows, but people are jumping to the worst assumptions based on pre existing bias and in some cases trauma.

Great party, innit?

The issue has been consistently clear though.

No one would purchase a dog gimp mask and tail without knowing it was fetish wear. You attempt to portray these people as naive or just having fun belies the point, it is know sexual fetish wear.

If people choose to wear this in their own home, or at a club where fetish wear is welcome, that is their business. Wearing it out into IKEA can only be interpreted as forcing others to participate in their clearly stated sexual fantasy.

The Whataboutery on this thread is just that. Whataboutery to distract from the fact that some people are trying to normalise this fetishwear as being acceptable.

Querying the motives is fine, but let’s cut the shit, that’s not what some posters are doing,

They have explicitly said they are doing this for sexual gratification and to bring children into a sexual fantasy,

Thats not querying things, it’s making an assumption, one based on pre existing bias,

Why presume consent?

'A man who caused a stir online after being pictured walking a teenager in a "dog gimp suit" around Glasgow on a leash is a convicted paedophile, according to reports.'

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18276301.man-walking-dog-gimp-suit-teen-leash-glasgow-unmasked-convicted-paedophile/

Yes, but some people are claiming they do give a shit what the intent is and the outcome being the same isn’t the issue.

Why can’t you understand that among those in the anti camp there are so many different views it’s hard to see how one would solve this ‘problem’ since those who are against it aren’t even in agreement with what the core of the problem is, let alone how to ‘fix’ it