To be appalled that the Bbc are debating the right to strike

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The bbc are currently debating, on one of their sickly Sunday morning shows if people have the right to strike.

Anyone in a decent society has the right to withdraw their Labour - might be good to take a look at the countries that don’t have the right to strike. It’s a sign of a democratic society that you can withdraw your labour.

Aibu to think that there shouldn’t even be a debate about the ‘right’ to strike. Of course I would expect nothing less from the fascists in waiting that are the current Tory party though.

There should be no debate in a democratic society....im not sure that's what you meant to put in

There should be no debate on personal freedoms? Maybe? Ultimately if they remove our right to strike people will stop working for those companies so Dr's will leave nurses will leave paramedics fire fighters teachers train drivers etc you think they won't? There is still universal credit as back up yes you will be forced to look for work BUT you cannot be forced to accept a type of job so a qualified paramedic cannot be forced back into the same job Their job search criteria is to apply for A JOB plus you can start your own business and you have 12 months support off UC before the minimum income floor kicks in

This has the potential to absolutely trash the country

The government isn’t trying to pass any laws to make ‘violence acceptable’ right now is it, it’s trying to restrict peoples rights to vote, so this needs to be being discussed in the public eye.

Suppression of Labour rights is an early sign of fascism

So is suppression of public discourse.

i don’t agree with withdrawing the right to strike any more than I agree with withdrawing the right to freedom of speech (when not offensive etc etc)

If you don't believe people have the right to speak offensively you don't support free speech.

It’s a tricky one. In a way, I don’t think people should be allowed to strike (none of us are entitled to a job, so why should we be able to sign up to one and then not show up to work?) but, as a PP says, if the terms of some jobs are too unfavourable then not enough will agree to do them.

You think striking is just not turning up to work one day?

You do realise that the labour party has ticked most of the early warning signs on your list. Just look at the way women are treated by them when it comes to removing our rights to give to biological males who self id as women.

No but if you sign up to an employment contract on particular terms, then you have accepted those terms. Different if the employer then changes the terms you agreed to and makes them worse.

Who are you to decide what I can and cannot be allowed to view on my TV which I voluntary pay a licence fee for? Think you need to reconsider your stance as its kind if falling under the mass media item on your poster. Fwiw I do think everyone should be allowed to strike but uts very interesting to see other people's opinions because that's well, free speech?

Be an improvement in many services as they stand at the moment. But government seems to be ignoring that fact.

But the bbc haven't plucked this out of thin air. They are presumably having this discussion because of current policies being proposed by the government.
Shall we not debate government policies? The bbc can't say "this is an unacceptable policy" but a debate on the issue does allow that view to be shared.

The BBC has stifled debate over gender identity and impact on women's rights. That hasn't exactly worked out well for women who don't want mixed sex prisons or refuges. (See also why gender neutral awards has been bad for female singers ...)

Talking and discussing opinion is good, but remember "freedom of speech" can also be abused.
I don't think debating the right to strike is wrong, but I vehemently oppose anyone who wants to fuck with the working persons last resort to protect their rights and pay.

Of course people should have the right to strike, but we live in a democracy so people are free to voice their opinions even if they are contrary to yours.

It worries me that this is the mindset of a lot of people on the "left" amongst the metropolitan elite that we need to shut down any debate that goes against their agenda.

But this was nowhere on our contracts when we signed up for our job. My job is highly unionised and the right to strike and union protection is a large appeal of my profession. I’ve already lost two days pay (totalling £350ish) since Christmas, and have several more earmarked for the next few months.
I work in a “well paying” profession; but we would actually be better off if I took an evening/weekend position in a supermarket.

YABU. In a free society, everything should be up for debate. As soon as you start ruling topics "off-limits", you start down a dark path.

So all EU countries are fascist then?

Restrictions on the right to take collective action are to be found in all countries examined (27 countries).
These may relate to the peace obligation, the need to strive for peaceful settlement of disputes before embarking on collective action, or the need to provide minimum services during a strike in certain sectors. Equally, some groups of workers – e.g. public servants or members of the armed forces – may be excluded from the right to take collective action, collective action may need to be proportional or ultima ratio, a notice period may need to
be respected or a strike ballot held before the action.

www.asi.is/media/7581/Strike_rules_in_the_EU27.pdf

When you have militant unions bullying the public over a dispute they have with government - potentially risking lives - then yes I think it's absolutely up for debate

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They can always "withdraw their labour" by changing profession. No one is forcing anyone to work. I'm not suggesting this would be a good thing but your OP is misleading.

Pros of striking:
Collective action gives lower paid and less powerful workers a means of leverage against more powerful and higher paid bosses.

Cons of striking:
Collective action gives lower paid and less powerful workers a means of leverage against more powerful and higher paid bosses.

It depends where you sit.

“there should be no debate in a democratic society“

What?! There should be constant debate in a democratic society.

And ironically "no debate" is a key part of this.

There's a big difference between being disappointed/concerned that it's got to the point where we're debating something, and believing that the debate shouldn't happen.

I'm incredibly disappointed that this has been raised as a potential change to worker's rights, and see it as a very concerning indictment of where the government is headed.

But the fact is it has been raised, and now that the issue is 'in play' I see no benefit to society or democracy in preventing people from discussing it.