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Shocked in relation to manga books being read at school

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gregoiresings · 12/01/2023 18:30

I am really hacked off about this.

A couple of days ago ds11 comes home from school and says a friend is reading One Punch Man (number 22 for those familiar) in the "free reading" class – title is bad enough as it relates to killing someone with one punch – ds says that it is very, very violent and explicit and in particular the drawings of the females are weird. He draws one for me. I look at it dumbfounded as it looked like a woman wearing S&M from ds' drawing. I say I will find the book online and have a look. Didn't have time that evening and yesterday he comes home and says he has looked again and he really wants me to look it up on the computer as he saw other women which were disturbing and he wanted to know what I thought.

I have a look and find “mosquito girl” - a young slim woman with huge breasts with cut outs where the nipples are, showing the nipples and the material cut out all the way down so basically the character is no wearing knickers or anything there at all, so a very sexily drawn naked young woman with bits of material down the sides and around the breasts but no other covering and nipples showing – in all sorts of positions – in youtube videos shown fighting etc.

Then I find “Do-S” - a curvy blonde, very slim, huge breasts wearing a leather bondage S&M costume – tiny bits of leather covering nipples, costume basically bits of black leather held together with leather cords or metal, wearing thigh length costume with stiletto heels, leather dog collar with metal diamonds around neck, a muzzle on her face. (FOR F-S SAKE). (NOT THAT I AM REALLY HACKED OFF ABOUT THIS OR ANYTHING).

Ds says most of the kids in the class including girls are reading these books, or other mangas, which are marketed to children. The front cover is a young sweet looking normal boy and the blurb on the back is “boy hero fights for good” or something.

I am guessing parents and teachers see it is a cartoon and think nothing else of it.

The write up for these female characters is how powerful and strong they are – so this is the narrative girls are absorbing, that dressing like this is “powerful”. Goodness only knows what narratives the boys are absorbing.

This is basically child abuse, isn't it? Porn and grooming in plain sight?

I remember a comment on here where a mother said that books are not as bad as films but in fact clever writing paints a picture in the mind and can have a profound affect – positive or negative – and when I looked at the drawings I felt the same emotions and responses I would have to watching live porn.

This is also in video form on youtube. Apparently these books are in the town library and given to children without question.

I do not mind what other adults do, I am liberal as long as no one is being abused and that the adults are making choices, and as an adult I can decide not to look again, I was utterly disgusted and woke in the night feeling stressed about it, but I know that the effect on me will be minimal. Children do not have the same judgement, cannot handle the feelings related to adult sex stuff, cannot make choices, cannot foresee the sort of harm it could do them, without adult help. and I am assuming most of the adults are not aware of what they are looking at half the time and so children keep looking.

I really just cannot imagine the effect this is going to be having on all the children reading this sort of things regularly, the effect on how they treat each other in the future and what they would find “normal” and acceptable.
Children can't handle the feelings related to adult sex stuff, they can't put it in context or make choices or value judgements for themselves.

What with this and violent video games it is not surprising that mental health problems are spiralling, teens are filming each other in degrading ways and posting it online, violence against women and children ever increasing,is it?

Do people agree? It seems it is all over the place, this and similar things, and children feel that if they don't join in they will get left out.

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starborne · 09/11/2023 16:06

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 09/11/2023 15:46

Manga is a gateway to evil imo.

Pedophilia and grooming in plain sight.

That anyone thinks this ok for anyone, let alone children to read is a telling bloody indictment of how far downhill our society has fallen, and evidence that there is sadly worse to come.

Nothing quite as evil as Pokemon. Except maybe the Super Mario manga, Luigi is clearly a paedo. 🙄

MonsteraMama · 09/11/2023 16:20

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 09/11/2023 15:46

Manga is a gateway to evil imo.

Pedophilia and grooming in plain sight.

That anyone thinks this ok for anyone, let alone children to read is a telling bloody indictment of how far downhill our society has fallen, and evidence that there is sadly worse to come.

Oh get a grip. I've been reading manga since I was 12, funnily enough I haven't grown up to be an evil pedo. They're just comic books.

Some are more appropriate than others, some are intended for adults. OPM is too old for 11yo's I'd say, but it was originally published in Shonen Jump which is aimed at 13-16yos so it's hardly porn.

There's loads of great manga your son could read OP that's a bit more age appropriate.

BloodandGlitter · 09/11/2023 16:40

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 09/11/2023 15:46

Manga is a gateway to evil imo.

Pedophilia and grooming in plain sight.

That anyone thinks this ok for anyone, let alone children to read is a telling bloody indictment of how far downhill our society has fallen, and evidence that there is sadly worse to come.

This has absolutely cracked me up. I love Manga, There is a huge variety the same as there are in books except you have the visuals too. You can read Manga about anything and everything. Some are completely innocent and sweet and some are indeed porn. Sensible parents know the difference same as letting a kid read Diary of a wimpy kid but not letting them read 50 shades of grey.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 16:45

@Vintagecreamandcottagepie I can't remember the title but a manga series my daughter liked at around age 7 or 8 was about the adventures of some adorably cute woodland animals and their cute and adorable little life.
Nothing even remotely connected to sex, grooming, porn or whatever.

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 09/11/2023 16:54

Pokemon and woodland creatures isn't the form of manga that op mentioned now, is it?

I'm responding re that type of manga, obviously.

Nothing to say re that then?

starborne · 09/11/2023 16:55

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 09/11/2023 16:54

Pokemon and woodland creatures isn't the form of manga that op mentioned now, is it?

I'm responding re that type of manga, obviously.

Nothing to say re that then?

You just said manga. Sorry we're not all mind readers.

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 16:56

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 15:12

@Drayne so you are ok with Lady Chatterley because it's a "classic" 🙄
There are 1000s of excellent, award winning and age appropriate manga books out there.
It's not "crap".

Lady Chatterley doesn’t have pictures of mostly naked women dressed in bondage gear. 11 year old children do not need to see those images, it adds nothing to their life.

The100AcreWood · 09/11/2023 17:00

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Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 17:02

@Vintagecreamandcottagepie well that's why there are age ratings printed on the covers 🙄
Because not all manga is a "gateway to evil".

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 17:05

@GoodnightGentlemen again....age ratings.
The manga the OP is talking about is rated "teen".
So yes...not for 11 year olds.
The same as Lady Chatterley isn't for 11 year olds.

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 09/11/2023 17:05

Some manga is.

Child pornography in cartoon form.

Much written about it if you'd care to research.

If you think that's ok for 18+ (even though it's consumed by children much younger also), that's up to you.

starborne · 09/11/2023 17:09

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 09/11/2023 17:05

Some manga is.

Child pornography in cartoon form.

Much written about it if you'd care to research.

If you think that's ok for 18+ (even though it's consumed by children much younger also), that's up to you.

Yes and some books, games, pictures, films, comics contain "child pornography", but that doesn't make the whole mediums evil.

MakeTeaNotLove · 09/11/2023 17:14

To those mentioning Lady Chatterley I think they need to bear in mind they would be unlikely to find that in a school library either. 🙄
Public libraries are public just like bookshops, and both stock the full range of stuff. If you're concerned that your child will find things they shouldn't have, it's up to you to supervise them as the responsible parent. It's a library not a daycare. The world doesn't owe you cotton wool to wrap your child in, it's up to you to stop them doing things they shouldn't in places they shouldn't be left alone.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 17:16

@Vintagecreamandcottagepie if a published manga includes child porn it will be illegal.
Adult manga that can be classed as porn isn't exactly sold in Waterstones or WHSmith so a child can't just pop down the shops and have access to it - the same as adult porn.
If an 11 year old can get hold of manga porn or any other porn then that's down to their parents not monitoring them.

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 09/11/2023 17:17

starborne · 09/11/2023 14:43

Not sure one punch man is marketed to children. It has an age rating, and if parents don't follow that then it's their fault not the creators of the Manga.

But if the school have provided access that's not the parents' fault is it? It's the school being inappropriate.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 17:24

@gregoiresings I do think you should talk to the school about whether there is any rules and restrictions about what books the younger children (Year 7 and 8) can read and have access to. There will be books (adult novels) that are for the A- level students in the library that wouldn't be appropriate for the 11 year olds to read. Many schools do restrict books by whether they are age appropriate - not ability.
Your son chose a book to old for him but that doesn't mean all manga is evil and shouldn't be allowed.
Just talk to the school.
You can get manga versions of Shakespeare, Classic novels and - even - Mills and Boon romance books (which are traditionally quite tame).

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 17:35

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 17:05

@GoodnightGentlemen again....age ratings.
The manga the OP is talking about is rated "teen".
So yes...not for 11 year olds.
The same as Lady Chatterley isn't for 11 year olds.

Edited

So @gregoiresings is right to be pissed off (I would be furious if this were my child).

The comparison with LCL is ludicrous- in the unlikely event an 11 year old chose that book from a library and ploughed through it it wouldn’t be anywhere near as inappropriate. If you had said ‘120 days of sodom is a classic, would that be appropriate?’ You might have had a point.

The age ratings are not made up by some sort of independent panel of experts in ‘what is suitable for children’- they are ratings given by the publishers who can base it on whatever they like- it’s almost pointless them having a rating at all.

Any school bod ought to be able to open a book, see pornographic pictures and work out it isn’t ok for an 11 year old (and to be honest I don’t see it’s value in a school library at all).

starborne · 09/11/2023 17:43

Was it on the school library? I was under the impression that it was the local library.

MadeOfAllWork · 09/11/2023 17:47

Was this book provided by school or brought in from home?

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 18:12

@GoodnightGentlemen that's why I say she needs to talk with the school and find out what the rules of choosing books are.
It won't be "pornographic" pictures if it's rated Teen but whether he should be able to read it (because he is not a teen yet) is something she needs to discuss with him and the school.

SherlockStones · 09/11/2023 18:13

Vintagecreamandcottagepie · 09/11/2023 15:56

@ForTheLoveOfSleep

Toddlers' heads on giant breasts in pornagraphic, mostly nude poses.

What's the harm eh?

That's not all manga just like all novels aren't about serial killers.

Manga is very diverse, you honestly don't sound very bright.

BoohooWoohoo · 09/11/2023 18:18

It won't be "pornographic" pictures if it's rated Teen

As the content rating is based on the publisher's opinion, you can't say that. Attitudes to sex in the West and Japan are very different never mind what constitutes pornographic images.

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 18:31

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 18:12

@GoodnightGentlemen that's why I say she needs to talk with the school and find out what the rules of choosing books are.
It won't be "pornographic" pictures if it's rated Teen but whether he should be able to read it (because he is not a teen yet) is something she needs to discuss with him and the school.

Pictures of women showing their breasts and crotch in a suggestive way (I.e. not in a this is what puberty is book) or dressed in bondage wear aren’t pornographic?

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 18:35

@Needmorelego it looks pornographic to me.

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 18:36

I hope it’s ok I posted the picture? Apologies if it’s not allowed.

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