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Shocked in relation to manga books being read at school

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gregoiresings · 12/01/2023 18:30

I am really hacked off about this.

A couple of days ago ds11 comes home from school and says a friend is reading One Punch Man (number 22 for those familiar) in the "free reading" class – title is bad enough as it relates to killing someone with one punch – ds says that it is very, very violent and explicit and in particular the drawings of the females are weird. He draws one for me. I look at it dumbfounded as it looked like a woman wearing S&M from ds' drawing. I say I will find the book online and have a look. Didn't have time that evening and yesterday he comes home and says he has looked again and he really wants me to look it up on the computer as he saw other women which were disturbing and he wanted to know what I thought.

I have a look and find “mosquito girl” - a young slim woman with huge breasts with cut outs where the nipples are, showing the nipples and the material cut out all the way down so basically the character is no wearing knickers or anything there at all, so a very sexily drawn naked young woman with bits of material down the sides and around the breasts but no other covering and nipples showing – in all sorts of positions – in youtube videos shown fighting etc.

Then I find “Do-S” - a curvy blonde, very slim, huge breasts wearing a leather bondage S&M costume – tiny bits of leather covering nipples, costume basically bits of black leather held together with leather cords or metal, wearing thigh length costume with stiletto heels, leather dog collar with metal diamonds around neck, a muzzle on her face. (FOR F-S SAKE). (NOT THAT I AM REALLY HACKED OFF ABOUT THIS OR ANYTHING).

Ds says most of the kids in the class including girls are reading these books, or other mangas, which are marketed to children. The front cover is a young sweet looking normal boy and the blurb on the back is “boy hero fights for good” or something.

I am guessing parents and teachers see it is a cartoon and think nothing else of it.

The write up for these female characters is how powerful and strong they are – so this is the narrative girls are absorbing, that dressing like this is “powerful”. Goodness only knows what narratives the boys are absorbing.

This is basically child abuse, isn't it? Porn and grooming in plain sight?

I remember a comment on here where a mother said that books are not as bad as films but in fact clever writing paints a picture in the mind and can have a profound affect – positive or negative – and when I looked at the drawings I felt the same emotions and responses I would have to watching live porn.

This is also in video form on youtube. Apparently these books are in the town library and given to children without question.

I do not mind what other adults do, I am liberal as long as no one is being abused and that the adults are making choices, and as an adult I can decide not to look again, I was utterly disgusted and woke in the night feeling stressed about it, but I know that the effect on me will be minimal. Children do not have the same judgement, cannot handle the feelings related to adult sex stuff, cannot make choices, cannot foresee the sort of harm it could do them, without adult help. and I am assuming most of the adults are not aware of what they are looking at half the time and so children keep looking.

I really just cannot imagine the effect this is going to be having on all the children reading this sort of things regularly, the effect on how they treat each other in the future and what they would find “normal” and acceptable.
Children can't handle the feelings related to adult sex stuff, they can't put it in context or make choices or value judgements for themselves.

What with this and violent video games it is not surprising that mental health problems are spiralling, teens are filming each other in degrading ways and posting it online, violence against women and children ever increasing,is it?

Do people agree? It seems it is all over the place, this and similar things, and children feel that if they don't join in they will get left out.

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Universalsnail · 09/11/2023 18:41

Tbh I just searched the drawings of the character mosquito and I think you are over reacting.

I don't think the do-s is suitable for younger teens though and shouldn't be in a school library

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 18:44

@Universalsnail what do you think of the picture I posted?

YouJustDoYou · 09/11/2023 18:46

There are some completely innocent mangas that are absolutely fine for kids BUT much is not, and it can be a very, very fine line - and there is a HUGE amount of hentai online when you even search up "manga" - sex ad pop ups etc etc. Mine are banned from searching for anything manga/anime related online, and if they want to read manga they need to tell me first the series as I'm familiar with what's appropriate and what's not. Some of it is horrific.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 18:56

@GoodnightGentlemen yes that's not suitable for 11 year olds - which is why the age ratings exist.
Most mainstream manga available in the UK is published by Viz Media. They are a massive publisher who are actually American who translate and produce the books for the English speaking world.
They are under no legal obligation to put age ratings on but they choose too so people can be aware of the subject matter and content of the book.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 18:59

@YouJustDoYou that's it. If you make sure you buy the books from Waterstones or WHSmith and check the age ratings then you are unlikely to have your children reading the inappropriate stuff.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 19:01

@YouJustDoYou and I assume you do that with all books your children are interested in.
Just because something is published by Penguin or Harper Collins doesn't mean it could be appropriate either.

FelineOverlord · 09/11/2023 19:06

There's nothing like tossing a comment through the open window of a 10 month old dormant post and then watch it ignite into a frenzy....
There are some good responses as well as some that show incredible naivety towards playground culture...
We were all young once, but today's kids are in a different world to the one that a lot of us had to grow up in... They have more choice, they have tastes and interests develop faster due to the things that they are exposed to at a much younger age, they have technology, they have access to that wonderful thing 'Social Media'... The list goes on.
Regarding the book that was the focus of the OP, it is more than likely one brought from home, possibly borrowed from an older sibling perhaps?
As rightly said by a fair few in this thread, the bottom dollar rests in the hands of the individual parents to govern what they see fit to expose their kids too....However.... Complain as you might, you have zero control over the world of the school playground... The exchanges of information by kids that adults are not privy to... wether that be sharing or showing comics that are a tad too mature for them, swapping copies of games that are out of their age range, or picking up the latest slang and swear word that is always a novelty... Moreso when its dropped at home for the first time.
The world of Japanese Comics is a unique one that reflects their culture; Japan is a place where the lid is screwed down very tightly on it's people, hence the craze for things like Airsoft weapons (because the only people who have guns are the Police & the Criminals) and masses of Manga, Anime & Incredible Toys.
Manga & Anime are a lifeblood over there, people obsess (and yes, some of it is questionable) and a fair number of the characters are sexualised, but, that reflects on the society out there.
As I mentioned before, go to a London Comic Convention (say MCM Expo) and you will see how much impact Manga has on kids today... wether that be fluffy cute Pokemon style characters or something a tad racier in appearance.
It draws kids in because it has a unique appeal not seen in the UK, American or European offerings. It's escapism that draws (usually) a lot who're on the autism spectrum, are quiet, withdrawn, artistic, those 'confused' about their sexual orientation etc.
The comic mentioned by the OP is by no means the rule to measure ALL manga by, but you have to accept that it is out there.
Like all things, parents have to decide what they want their kids to see (hence age recommendations on a lot of products) but they also have to be prepared for what they cannot control.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 19:08

@FelineOverlord I hadn't noticed this was an old thread.
Oops.
I went to the Comic Con at ExCel a couple of weeks ago.
It was fricking awesome and some of the costumes were incredible.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 19:09

@FelineOverlord the best costume I saw was someone dressed up as a vending machine 😂

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 19:19

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 18:56

@GoodnightGentlemen yes that's not suitable for 11 year olds - which is why the age ratings exist.
Most mainstream manga available in the UK is published by Viz Media. They are a massive publisher who are actually American who translate and produce the books for the English speaking world.
They are under no legal obligation to put age ratings on but they choose too so people can be aware of the subject matter and content of the book.

I missed that this was a zombie thread 🤦‍♀️

This manga just doesn’t need to be an option that’s available in the school library. I don’t see any advantage to it being there.

FelineOverlord · 09/11/2023 19:21

Zombie thread it may be..... But it has occupied a few keyboard warriors for the last couple of hours - "My work here is done".

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 19:22

Ffs, also- apparently I can’t read. In going back to check the date I’ve just realised that I’d read free reading class and presumed this was where they toddled off to the school library and chose a book to read (like we did), but it doesn’t actually say that. The kids probably brought the books from home.

I’m going to shut up now 🤦‍♀️😂

FelineOverlord · 09/11/2023 19:24

@Needmorelego, yes there are always some fabulous costumes at the MCM - Lots of hearts and souls poured into many of them.
One of the best that I saw was a TOTORO costume - Had a great chat with the guy who made it through the costume characters mouth... He was sweating buckets in that thing!

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 19:28

@FelineOverlord oh I didn't see a Totoro 🙁
I did see 3 daleks having an argument with each other. It was hilarious.

FelineOverlord · 09/11/2023 19:36

Ah, the Daleks..... Many moons ago as a student, my housemate built one of those wretched things full size & very accurate.
He was so obsessed by building it he didn't take a moment to make sure that he could actually get it out of our living room when it was completed!
When it dawned on him, I helped him dismantle it into three sections - managed to force the base through the patio door into the garden - It was a friction fit & so took all the paint off the sides. Then, it had to be man-handled over the tall garden fence and onto a road at the back... Great days.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 19:42

@FelineOverlord it was certainly interesting watching people trying to cram on the DLR with some of the bigger costumes I saw 😂

AdoraBell · 09/11/2023 19:48

I would email the HT and ask for a detailed explanation of the book being suitable for the age of children.

Poppytops82 · 09/11/2023 19:52

Some Manga is really dodgy. Especially online, I can't remember what the subtype is called.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/11/2023 20:04

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 16:56

Lady Chatterley doesn’t have pictures of mostly naked women dressed in bondage gear. 11 year old children do not need to see those images, it adds nothing to their life.

Would have thought the mental image of placing flowers around Mellors' knob might have a bit of an effect upon an 11 year old, though. Or maybe the wrestling scenes in the dramatised version of Women in Love? Or the revulsion for femaleness and reproduction in The Rainbow? Or the considerable absence of consent as far as Will is concerned (but of course, she really wants it)? Or the drawn out scene of Ursula (I think, it's been a long time since I had to read it) thrashing a boy and it being the only way to get respect? Or the general whininess and racism/facism/misogyny of Lawrence - or even him pulling a literary face and going Ewww at bats as well as women's bodies?

GoodnightGentlemen · 09/11/2023 20:11

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/11/2023 20:04

Would have thought the mental image of placing flowers around Mellors' knob might have a bit of an effect upon an 11 year old, though. Or maybe the wrestling scenes in the dramatised version of Women in Love? Or the revulsion for femaleness and reproduction in The Rainbow? Or the considerable absence of consent as far as Will is concerned (but of course, she really wants it)? Or the drawn out scene of Ursula (I think, it's been a long time since I had to read it) thrashing a boy and it being the only way to get respect? Or the general whininess and racism/facism/misogyny of Lawrence - or even him pulling a literary face and going Ewww at bats as well as women's bodies?

What is your point? That 11 year old children shouldn’t be given pornographic reading material? Because that was my point…

I only pointed out the LCL at least doesn’t have pictures.

Needmorelego · 09/11/2023 20:21

@GoodnightGentlemen the Lady Chatterley comment was because someone upthread said if their child wanted to read that it was ok but 50 Shades of Grey was a no.
Surely they are both inappropriate for children (pictures or not).

starborne · 09/11/2023 20:22

FelineOverlord · 09/11/2023 19:21

Zombie thread it may be..... But it has occupied a few keyboard warriors for the last couple of hours - "My work here is done".

Your work as a troll? FFS get a life.

Alifestylechoice · 09/11/2023 20:29

DO-S looks age inappropriate for 11 but mosquito girl doesn’t really. Guidance is 15 which I think he’s appropriate. The picture posted isn’t porn btw

gregoiresings · 11/11/2023 19:54

Alifestylechoice · 09/11/2023 20:29

DO-S looks age inappropriate for 11 but mosquito girl doesn’t really. Guidance is 15 which I think he’s appropriate. The picture posted isn’t porn btw

Ahem... you don't think this is pornographic? Quote from opening post:

“mosquito girl” - a young slim woman with huge breasts with cut outs where the nipples are, showing the nipples and the material cut out all the way down so basically the character is no wearing knickers or anything there at all, so a very sexily drawn naked young woman with bits of material down the sides and around the breasts but no other covering and nipples showing – in all sorts of positions – in youtube videos shown fighting etc.

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gregoiresings · 11/11/2023 20:21

An update if anyone is interested. Just to clarify, the books were brought in by kids and I am assuming the parents were mostly not aware - most of the class read the viz manga a lot of extreme violence and in some nazi imagery and so on. I spoke to school and they were not interested. The books were available in public library as well as school library, but even public library is a small library affiliated with school - weekly trips there, most kids went there after school to do homework or read, it is more aimed at kids than adults and the staff do a lot of workshops for kids.

The behaviour of the kids deteriorated during the school year - this was a small private school and DC had known most of the kids since thy were 5/6 year olds - there was increasing violence, ganging up, terrible behaviour in class and it got so bad we had to move schools.

At new school no possibililty this would have happened, or that the books would be allowed, much more responsible teachers, much better managed, much better supervision in class and in the playground, and awareness of develiopmental appropriateness, better behaviour, much happier kids.

Was there a link between what the kids were reading and doing online and the serious behaviour issues? I would say yes. It was parents' responsibility, yes, but it was also teachers' and library staff's responsibilty and imo the kids were/are being completely failed.

The books/games/videos are not ok for teens. I think too much of what is aimed a kids is nowadays disturbing with long term consequence. I think this and other things is basically grooming and I don't think catastropic is too strong a word.

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