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Unfair to stop friendship due to mental illness?

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dragondepressed · 10/01/2023 21:42

Over the years I have had people who I thought were my friends sever contact due to my mental illness. Five years ago I was voluntarily admitted into a psychiatric hospital for about three weeks. Then in 2019, I was sectioned for two weeks then I had a psychotic episode in the same year which led to me sending rambling emails to people, thinking I was being accused of horrible things and crimes and going to be killed with machetes and wanting to kill myself before this happened so I would die less painfully. The last 13 years of my life have been ruined by mental illness. One psychiatrist suggested I had Complex PTSD, another mentioned Borderline Personality Disorder, a different one then suggested I suffer from Paranoid Schizophrenia. Throughout all this, I have had 'friends' sever contact and end the friendship I thought we had. I have no friends and I'm probably going to end up like that woman who died in her flat and nobody bothered/cared so her body wasn't discovered for two years. Do people not want to be friends with people going through mental illness?

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Scurryfunge12 · 10/01/2023 23:00

Whatatimetobealivetoday · 10/01/2023 21:58

This is awful. Don’t listen to this OP.

You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. Judgemental or what!?

maddy68 · 10/01/2023 23:03

I have some friends with mental illness. What they don't always realise is that I ajsi have my own battles to deal with and there isn't always the energy to support us all.

I try my hardest but sometimes it's too much for me to deal with. Sometimes I just want to go out and have a giggle and that's not always possible with these friends.

Dont blame them. They feel shitty nitbbeing good enough but they also have to send preserve

purpleboy · 10/01/2023 23:05

I would bet those giving a true account of how hard it can be supporting someone through MH issues have first hand experience of what is like.

It's shit op, for everyone involved. I went through years of hell with my dear friend I had to cut contract for my own sanity. I left the door open for when she got better but unfortunately that ended after I had the police searching my house because they found a note in her house saying if she goes missing I've killed her.
She was found safe and well in another city.
The stress it put me and my family under was too much to take on, I supported her for years but in the end she was too much of a danger to me.

I hope you get the support and help you need and manage to form some strong friendships.Flowers

Believ · 10/01/2023 23:09

This sounds word for word a lady who I used to work with....I mean...I actually could be you!!?

But I know from a colleague point of view it was damaging to my own mental health with what was going on and what was being put on me.

I know this person was losing friends and family members who were cutting ties too, I find it harder to comment on that part because I feel like if it was my friend or family member I'd have to tolerate a lot more before it got too much. But this lady I knew absolutely constantly refused to help herself and was day in day out in the same cycle that I think got on top of people too much in the end.

AnneLovesGilbert · 10/01/2023 23:10

I’m sorry for your struggles OP. To answer your question, it’s not unfair to end a friendship, or any relationship, if it’s damaging one of the parties in it.

When you’re well you have the insight to see how terrifying, hurtful and damaging your communications with some of these friends will have been. They have their own lives and mental health to look after. Not many people could come back from being on the other end of that, they’d be waiting for it to happen again and how awful that would be.

There are some pretty glib and naive responses on here, it’s so very easy to say the nice thing when it’s not your life being exploded.

Guavafish1 · 10/01/2023 23:12

Same

ClaryFairchild · 10/01/2023 23:13

I have had my life destroyed by what my ex did due to mental illness.

Why should my mental health be less important than his?

Yes, I walked away. His family won't forgive me for it but I couldn't give a flying fuck, given that they have been minimally impacted by his behaviour.

OoooohMatron · 10/01/2023 23:14

JammiDodgers · 10/01/2023 22:10

I agree . This is awful and as a person with mental illness, my heart absolutely sank.

How uncaring and unkind.
Don’t listen to this OP.

She's right I'm afraid.

dragondepressed · 10/01/2023 23:17

Sorry, but I would just like to point out that I have never threatened any former friends with violence towards them or put them in dangerous situations. I have only ever been suicidal which I understand can be extremely distressing for others. Sorry if this post has triggered distressing memories for people.

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CharlotteRose90 · 10/01/2023 23:18

People have their own issues. I was friends with someone that had mental health issues and she almost ruined my life. She drained me and as much as I loved her I couldn’t stay friends with her. I think it’s time for you to find new friends. Some people can’t forgive being abused or used and I don’t blame them.

Believ · 10/01/2023 23:20

My ex colleague was suicidal, never threatened or hurt anyone else, but its also really hard for other people to deal with. The best thing is professional help, where people are trained in dealing with this.

daybroke · 10/01/2023 23:21

Someone being actively suicidal and having to support them through that is very very draining.

Believ · 10/01/2023 23:22

As well as opening up to your friends, have you ever opened up to professionals and took their advice and support?

dragondepressed · 10/01/2023 23:28

When I've been suicidal, I've always got in touch with the GP, Samaritans or the local AMHT. When I had the psychosis I was in a completely different country to the friends. I genuinely thought that a mob with machetes was coming for me and sent those emails for help.

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Believ · 10/01/2023 23:30

As long as you've been seeking professional advice too, as I know from what I've witnessed the lady who I knew refused any kind of help but was daily in this cycle and people felt so helpless because she wouldn't accept the real help.

dragondepressed · 10/01/2023 23:39

I have been on antipsychotics for nearly four years now. I have had a job in customer service/retail since 2020 and just go to work and come home everyday. I don't really interact with anyone outside of work.

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MMMarmite · 10/01/2023 23:40

Have you tried any online peer support groups OP? I have joined one on discord for my disorder and it is great, I can be a lot more open about my struggles and know people will understand. The support is mutual so I don't have to worry about a one-sided burdening of friends.

It's important to find a well run group - mine has very sensible rules which are well moderated, to stop everyone getting triggered by each other.

Ariela · 10/01/2023 23:42

I am so sorry you're feeling let down. I think so many people's mental health has been battled with due to the effects of covid isolation, combined with the fact that pretty much everything is now online - messages and texts more than in person. So very difficult for my friend who cannot do screens for long and has lost so many elderly friends due to covid, it's hard to make more friends, people wander about with eyes glued to screens and simply don't speak.

I can't begin to tell you how difficult and wearing it is to be a friend of a demanding mentally unwell person, particularly if they are not being in a reasonable frame of mind (and woe betide me if I forget to silence my phone overnight as the texts start at 4am), but I'll try, hopefully you can appreciate from my point of view. I do want to help but at times it can be very very hard.

What I'd really like you to do is just stop and think before you text or ring me. Ask yourself: Is this a real problem that will cause you harm, and can the friend I'm ringing do anything to help - or would I be better off ringing a helpline? Is there anything I can do to affect the outcome? Do I actually need to involve friend?
Is it a problem I have no control over and therefore need help?
Or is it something I can control myself? Heaps of self help articles online eg one I found here to give you some ideas..
tinybuddha.com/blog/50-things-you-can-control-right-now/

Below I've put a few things that I'd really like to tell my friend to make my life easier (so I hope this is of help to you). I know I need to set firmer boundaries but we've been friends for well over 40 years.

I'd REALLY appreciate you checking the reality of the situation (as above) for a few minutes before automatically ringing or texting me (especially if I've left my phone on overnight, which was awkward when I needed it left on overnight for another reason). I know it's the illness that makes you react first rather than think first, but is there any way you can work on this?

If you realise you've been a burden, then please let your friends know and apologise, and above all thank them for being there in your hour of need because it means a lot to you - and means a lot to me to know you are thinking of me too, and we'll know you are trying your best in the most difficult of circumstances - again it's the illness making you react like this we know! If you can, please be there for your friends too. Ask how they are, and take the time to remember it's not all about you (it frustrates me immensely to be demanded of when I have an extremely intense problematic day, but some days I cannot raise an objection to being contacted or give a reason it's problematic to speak right now because I am told I clearly don't care and have no time for my friend....this is illness speaking I know.....unfortunately a crisis (to her) strikes and she doesn't seem to remember that I have a life a job and demands on my time - she is unable to work and finds the stress of attending more than one medical appointment a week a major task, so you see the problem!) Again if you can step back and think before you ring or text, or at least accept that I too have demands elsewhere you're not the only person that needs me. then that would just make things a tad easier!

I really, really like it when a phone call is not all about you. I feel cheery and not drained. Please tell me your good news no matter how small.

Also please don't be afraid to ask for medical help - my friend is aging and I don't think menopause has helped she is FAR worse, and has never been as anxious as she is now. However just because her same medication has worked for over 30 years doesn't mean there isn't something more appropriate or better for her now, but she will not ask the GP for an opinion or advice. I have said it's worth asking and enquiring and she can make a decision to try a change or not then. And we know current medication works after a fashion, but if we could put a stop to the anxiety then life would be SO much better for her. I have cut out articles that show the modern 4th generation drugs treat the problem without the side effects of anxiety that happen with 1st generation drugs she is on, but she will not even speak to the GP about her medication (I think a fear of being sectioned again)

I hope some of my late night waffle helps understand from my point of view as a supporter of many years, and that you get back to a more even keel with your mental health soon and can then start rebuilding your friendships and gaining new ones. You clearly care by posting on here for advice, which is important.

AndyWarholsPiehole · 10/01/2023 23:44

Why don't you interact with anyone outside of work? Even doing something along side other people can help lift spirts/mood.. an exercise class/ hobby class or even just an organised ramble or amble.

Lilyhop · 10/01/2023 23:45

dragondepressed · 10/01/2023 23:17

Sorry, but I would just like to point out that I have never threatened any former friends with violence towards them or put them in dangerous situations. I have only ever been suicidal which I understand can be extremely distressing for others. Sorry if this post has triggered distressing memories for people.

I did wonder what everyone else was reading OP, as I couldn’t see anything in your post that mentioned you accusing THEM of being horrible to THEM about anything.

fwiw, I have been in the same boat. (BPD, anxiety disorder, some episodes of psychosis and one event leading to me being sectioned) I’m 36 and I have eventually found my tribe!! I have 2 childhood best friends, though admittedly, I don’t see them often in real life now as I moved 165 miles away now and these days they only see me when I’m well, which I obviously am when I travel to my home city. One friend here (been here 8 years) found me self harming outside my house one day, in the street with a knife, talking erratically, my youngest child in the house alone at the time, she was a baby. My friend phoned the police and stayed with me. In the days that followed, she messaged me saying she was having flashbacks and how awful it was and how could I want to end my life (which is what I kept saying that day) when I had children to think of… the friendship ended because neither of us could give the other what we needed. She wanted to be supportive but her own mental health had been affected by mine, and I wanted to be a good friend to her too but I couldn’t as I was unwell myself… there was a long period of time where my BPD was awful and I was described by one friend as ‘Jekyll and Hyde’ and that a friendship with me was like ‘walking on eggshells’ - I look back now and she was right…
Its not YOU as a person OP, and neither is is that your friends aren’t good people. It’s the mental illness- mental illness is not kind to anyone, doesn’t discriminate, and is completely unfair to all those around you as well as you yourself. I started to see it as a ‘thing’ I needed to fight to the best of my ability. I got support - in any way I could find it. NHS where possible, but also looked for local charities that offered forms of therapy, and support groups - online and in person.
I made sure I chased up referrals to the hospital and that I found the right medication (eventually what works for me is resperidone and pregabalin.)
In life a few good friends are better than lots of not so good ones. But also I feel like it’s perfectly fine to have different friends for different areas in your life.
I found a hobby- adult ballet- and I have friends I’ve made there, but we only socialise at ballet and nights out now and again. They would not be friends I confide in with my mental health.
I have the school mum friends- some of them we will go out for a coffee, and do plays dates with the kids… it isn’t deeper than that.
I have my ‘online’ friends in the support groups on fb- they are brilliant. As you will always find someone to talk to no matter the time,and they choose to talk to you knowing full well you’re not ok, and you choose who to talk to as well.
I find peer to peer support invaluable!
my real life ‘best friends’ here now- I have 3- one of them has BPD like me, and we both have created ‘safety plans’ so if we find each other in need, we know who to call and what to do.. and we also have boundaries in place. Either of us can cancel a meet up and be honest why, either of us can say we need to step away from each other for a while if either one of us if impacting the other- but most of the time we actually are just the best support to each other.
the main thing that cements our friendship though is our sense of humour… we spend most of our time together laughing , even at our mental health (dark humour- we both get through life with it..)

please realise OP that you are not just your mental illness. It doesn’t define you. Are you accessing all the support available to you? How is your MH right now? Any hobbies?

you will find your tribe. Hang in there x

Goawayangryman · 10/01/2023 23:50

It's such a hard one and I'm sorry for what you have been through. It sounds horrendous.

Do you now have a settled diagnosis?

I think it is quite difficult to give a nose size fits all explanation to why friends have withdrawn. It could be all or any of the following:

-people talking the talk but not walking the walk. I think this is a massive issue when it comes to mental health and actually any difficulties people are going through... The "Id love to help, but....." mentality

People having their own serious issues and not being able to take on any more (although perversely it is often those with the least to give, that give the most

-something entirely aside from the mental illness that makes people withdraw (obersharing, lack of reciprocity, feeling of having nothing in common, etc)

I agree that psychosis, suicidality and some personality disorders can be very, very difficult to be around. I have family members who have experienced or live with one of these issues and it is hard to deal with them. Services are severely lacking. Friends and family often are left to pick up the slack.

Goawayangryman · 10/01/2023 23:51

One size! Not nose size!

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 10/01/2023 23:54

Being 100% honest OP - no I would find this too hard work. I have so much going on in my own life, my own problems that if I had a friend always looking to me to help with their problems I’d find this exhausting. I did live with someone with acute MH issues, and have known several people with similar problems. What I’ve found is that those relationships are usually one sided, with the person with needs taking yet not giving, generally being quite unpleasant and always moaning that no one cares, no matter what you do. And they never, ever ask how you are. It’s the nature of the beast of MH - it’s not the fault of the sufferer, it is what it is. But it’s completely exhausting, and no human can always be Super Friend/Partner who is infinitely on hand in a nanosecond to do whatever they’re asked, with no boundaries, and smile through the whole thing.

Sorry, I know it’s not what you want to hear but having been on the other end of your situation, it really can get to a point where you are always helping the friend and getting very little back.

FishEagleonthelake · 10/01/2023 23:55

You just need to give your friends permission to pull back a little bit when they need to; communicate that to them, that you want them to feel supported too. Because everyone needs to be able to take care of themselves, too, in any relationship. It does help if your friends are knowlegable and empathetic about your condition(s). MMMarmite is right. 💐

XenoBitch · 10/01/2023 23:57

Friends are just people. They are not MH trained, and and do not exist to pick you up.

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