Wondering how to refer to my sister's daughter now?

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I always referred to her as my niece - but she is going into a sort of non-gender stage..... Her name is a very neutral one now. But I still cannot stop referring to her (them??) as my niece. Relation/ships are usually gender specific, and a bit hard to avoid using I have found, but I really don't want to offend. It is the "non-gender" bit that is causing me some difficulty.
Help......

This.

Yes, there’s a whole spectrum of how people feel. There always has been. It manifests as personality, interests, hobbies, how they dress etc.

No need to make ‘gender identity’ a thing, it has no more bearing on life than any other aspect of someone’s personality or presentation.

Even biological sex doesn’t matter in a lot of situations but when it does matter, it really matters and gender identity doesn’t come into it.

All words are made up. Literally all of them.

Well obviously!

nibling as a term was coined in the 1950s.

I’ve been alive since the 1950s and never heard of it till this thread! Not heard it on TV or radio; not seen it in any books, newspapers or magazines. Certainly never heard it in real life and wouldn’t know how to pronounce it!

Though I can’t really see the problem. If OP doesn’t see her niece ad is just referring to her when speaking wider family. A once off Hermione has changed her name to Joe would do she trick and then just use the new name.

Would be more of a problem if she called you Auntie Lovemy and you decided you were non-binary; what would she call you? I doubt she would be worrying about getting it right.

@FaceLikeCattle, it's not about you. Other people's genitalia and identities do not concern you in the slightest. If you want to make a stand over someone else's identity, go right ahead. It's really odd to see so many comments like yours here--like stepping into a forum from 15 years ago. It won't work out well for you and people will see straight through your ridiculous justifications.

If someone insisted on calling you "Bob," you'd have a problem with it. You know you would. This is no different.

She is and always will be a neice !

Antst · Today 10:07
@Typo22, you have been warned.

I think I’d rather sound backward and bigoted! You sound genuinely sinister, Antst!

My sister's youngest/eldest.

You can always call her Emma’s Beatrice etc. or her own name ‘Jodie’ or shortened version ‘Jay Jay’.

Gullible? Or just niece? Most likely that’s how she will see herself in a couple of years.

This is where you’re so wrong, this does affect every single woman. You bleating on with Boomer this and that. It’s had it’s day. Fads go round in cycles. “boomers” are old enough and wise enough because they’ve had experience of such trends before.

This trend is dying it’s own death much to certain mens upset. It’s self limiting, because the harm of this ideology is becoming ever more apparent. Trying to bully women into silence because of around 0.25% of the adult population is no longer working. Boomer women know how hard women have fought for equality. GenZ women have not experienced what boomer women and Gen x women have seen and experienced. Ironically it’s probably TRAs that will bring this to the attention of GenZ, therefore the movement will be self limiting. In the meantime women who know the score will stand firm against oppression

Oh @Antst why are you so angry, agist and threatening?

You are not doing your cause any good you know.

You can't strong arm people to believe the absurd. Human's can't change sex. It does no one any favours, least of all girls, to pretend that we can.

There is nothing wrong with a girl wearing what she pleases and doing what ever makes her happy. A girl that doesn't conform with stereotypically girly things is still a girl and will never be anything other.

She is always your niece, just refer to her by name.

There are so many here who seem utterly clueless as to the extent of change that's been happening for the past decade or so on this. It's one thing to be unaware and quite another to dig in when you have been told.

Again, you're using your sinister, threatening tone to suggest that people who have very valid, evidenced objections to a change that a tiny minority is trying to introduce are stupid and just don't understand this change that 'needs' to happen whether they like it or not, so they should just be nice, give up, relinquish any of their own beliefs, preferences and fears, roll over and cheerfully accept whatever risks and dangers it causes them. They may look like adults, but they are actually tantrumming little toddlers who must learn to eat their vegetables whether they want to or not, like the wise people are insisting. You sound just like a genderist version of Putin.

Other people's genitalia and identities do not concern you in the slightest.

Exactly. I don't need to look at man's genitals to know he's a man. I can tell. Even if he puts a frock on, I can still tell. His genitals do not concern me in the slightest (provided he keeps them covered in my presence).

Consequently I will call him 'he' no matter how he identifies because his identity does not concern me in the slightest.

thanks my post got deleted because you know biology is fact

this

I think nibling is the general term nowadays.

Alternatively, I think just "my sisters child" will do fine.

I'm 33 and live in a city, socialise plenty thank you 😊 it's not bigoted to acknowledge that humans can't change sex and that regardless of how someone identified their sex remains unchanged.

I'd run into problems if I met delusional people like you, sure, but I'd try to avoid having any type of conversation as soon as you gave it away that you were a TRA.

I would stick with what you have always called her. In most instances it will just be her name. I would use a new name if asked. But I wouldn't change my understanding of reality by being required to use language that to me didn't fit. It might be that your sister would appreciate this too. This is quite a difficult period for mothers to negotiate with teens. Probably saying as little about it as possible is wisest. It will probably pass.

I'd love to know, as well @Antst just exactly what kind of problems I'm going to run into? Please show the world just how violent and misogynistic your gender religion is.

Exactly, they don't concern me. I don't want to know. We all have things about ourselves that we would rather change, but there's no need to make other people pretend that your new 'reality' is actually real. I am shorter than average, I have never pretended to be 5'8, because everyone can see that I'm not. I'm not going to ask you or anyone else to refer to me as tall. If someone is talking about me, I'm not going to bully them into saying "that tall woman over there". Nor am I going to say elusive threats: "you have been warned" if you don't indulge my desire to be tall. My issues about my height simply don't concern you, and as such, I don't ask you get involved in my 5'8 fantasy.

Yes I would have a problem with people calling me Bob. I'm not a man and it would be absurd for someone to call me one. I don't have a single Y chromosome floating around in me.

Ideology is not bigger than family. If their attachment to an idea means more than the reality of being blood related to an aunt, or in fact any physical person - that is unique and brilliant and their own physiology, body, biology, and material reality - they need to step back and question where this path leads. Who has made this path? And why? And if she can think she’s a boy, can she think she’s Korean? African? Think it through to its logical conclusion. Why does her feelings matter more than reality? Is it narcissistic and self-centered?

it’s because of ideology you get people divided and disconnected enough from others to cut them off, torture, kill. At the heart of it is a disconnection with her own sense of self.