To think the NHS has already failed.

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5 hour wait for a cat1 ambulance for a child. Unresponsive patients being taken to hospital by neighbours. 90 hour wait in A&E, unsafe staffing on wards, 7 month wait for coil or implant fitting. The NHS isn't failing. We need to admit its failed

Not everyone swallowed the guff, those of us pointing out reality on here were absolutely vilified and in some cases, banned. Can you imagine what would happen to an NHS whistleblower?

OP - on the semantics, Mum's had two 18 hour waits at A&E as Category 1. So yes, it has collapsed at A&E.turns out mum's definition of collapse is if all the staff literally walk away. Honestly, I wouldn't blame them if they did. Those who are there are doing an amazing job. They have said to me that their colleagues won't return even if some sort of campaign is launched.

I wrote to my local MP and got a strangely emotional response. I am hoping it's guilt.

As for whistleblowing, the nurses make some very interesting comments when they've established they are safe to talk to you.

Our local A&E have this week been forced to place a bus in the car park where people can be offloaded from ambulances to wait in the bus.

There are failings in the NHS but from what I can see the bigger issue is the supporting services around the NHS that allow for discharge and care in the community to enable the hospitals to just treat those who need hospital care.

Bus set up at Leicester hospital to help with admissions www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-64188328

Don't panic everyone. It's all in hand. Rishi's plan to roll out double maths will save us...

I love this cartoon. It's his height and posture I think. 🤣I picture him saying this in a Will from the Inbetweeners voice

And the woman staring at him in the background 😂

I wish people like you torieswould change the record. It's not just about money. We've had like what, 8 so-called Health Secretaries in the last 12 years of Tory rule? How can you begin to tackle any issues when you're only there for 18 months? In that period of time you've only just started to get your head around how the system works. Bear in mind none of these people have any experience in healthcare or the NHS. Maybe start by giving us a serious person in that 'role'?

Does anyone know how many beds private hospitals have ? Could they not be utilised during a crisis ? Social care is private so I don't see why the Government would object to paying private hospitals to take some patients to free up some slack in the NHS during these next few difficult months ?

It's about the personnel rather than the physical beds

ANOTHER NHS bashing thread. Couldn’t you have added this statement to all the other ones? Is it time to have an NHS board?

I work for the NHS and our department isn’t failing. Yes staff are stressed and overworked but the care is there for our patients.

Those beds in private hospitals are already staffed though @PerfectYear321 ?

The NHS is struggling with the number of available beds, that is why there is carnage in A&E, they cannot move patients who need admitting onto the wards, because the wards are full.

People don't like the idea of introducing a two-tier system but we already have a two-tier system. I have a fancy City job. Our company offers an in-house GP we can see whenever we want. Or you can pay £50+ for various private GPs around town.

Tories didn't do this, rich people did it themselves because they could.

I'd much prefer a system like Australia where money follows you to the provider of your choice. You could get it for free and slowly or pay for a timed or longer appt slot with a private provider, govt pays £30 and you pay £20 instead of you paying £50. There are a lot of people who could afford £20 but not £50 so we lose out on that extra money people would potentially be prepared to contribute because there's no mechanism to accept it.

And I wish people like you would be able to answer a question without insults.

But there we are. You can’t because a question triggers your type of response.

The NHS has been failed by the Tory government who have had 12 years to get to grips with the rising need for social care and health care from an ageing population.

They did not.

Social care is in crisis, thousands of beds are being used in hospital for patients who could be discharged to a care home.

Social care providers are almost entirely privately owned and reaping profits for their owners, some of which are offshore and pay little tax.

www.carehomeprofessional.com/care-home-sector-leaking-hundreds-of-millions-of-pounds-to-offshore-investors/

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/14/multinational-care-companies-new-tax-privatised

It's broken and change is needed.

Ive been trying to cancel a procedure for next week and try and reschedule it, I can’t go because I’ve absolutely no child care on that one particular day. Since Wednesday I’ve tried to phone 157 times and phoned all different areas of the hospital and not one person will answer the phone on the number they gave in the letter that you’ve got to phone if you need to cancel. On the letter there’s a lecture about not turning up and how much that’s a waste for the NHS etc etc. Yes well I totally agree hence why I’m trying to cancel in good time.

Nominal pay is something to look at in terms of behaviour - ie will people get sicker or will they value the NHS more? Other countries use it.

However any system like ours relies on low users to pay more, and some pay twice. If you got close to users paying for what they use according to frequency it wouldn’t work.

That doesn’t mean charges definitely wouldn’t work (other countries use them) but that the idea the higher incomes are getting too much out of it isn’t the case.

Perhaps we could have paid more to the NHS and social care by not spending millions of pounds on - the Britannia yacht, painting a trade plane, a Festival of Brexit, fixing the giant cock up of Trussonomics and not handing Tory peers (and their friends and family) vast amount of cash.

Or perhaps if we'd spent the last 13 years sticking with the IFS recommendations of 4% increase everything would be quite so run down now.

Pretending the last decade hasnt mattered or impacted service levels now is quite frustrating. Consistent maintenance and a long term workforce plan would have made a massive difference.

No it hasn't because it's not like that everywhere. I don't deny that there are problems but some areas are worse than others. I went to our local hospital yesterday and walked past A&E on the way, not a single ambulance outside and the sign outside was showing approx 30 minute waiting time!

The real problem is the fragmentation into dozens if not hundreds of different trusts doing different things, which means it's harder than it should be for resources to be shared and transferred between hospitals.

Where's the insult?

Nail on the head. We're stuck with the ideology of equality for all, which means everyone has to put up with substandard service and there's no incentive to improve. The ridiculous "internal business market" and fragmentation into separate trusts was supposed to create "competition" to improve standards but in reality, it's just a matter of being less crap than the alternative, not that many people have choice in who provides their treatment anyway!

You seem upset re a question re funding and want posters not to even ask.

You wouldn’t get far in any discussion re NHS if you can’t talk about funding 🤷‍♂️

10 non clinical staff per bed?

The problem with social care is how generous should it be - what is the criteria, how easy to be awarded some free help at home.
At the moment we know people are in dire straits before carers are made available - but say a lonely 78 year old has had a few falls whilst working in the garden. Bit forgetful. So at risk of fractures and hunger as forgets to eat. Carrrs in? 1or 2times a day? If it’s refused is the SS to blame when his health problems increase?
People admitted to CHomes pay if they can, huge amounts- should everyone get free care at home. If that’s brought in I can see the costs spiralling out of control.

In no way do I blame staff in any way shape or form. I think all staff, GPs, consultants, doctors, paramedics, nurses, hca's, domestics and everyone that works for the NHS is doing an amazing job, and I really do feel for you with what your dealing with ATM. But can you honestly say hand on heart that it's safe??

We need to change our ways
We need to cut down on alcohol and drugs
We need a healthy lifestyles
We need to change our diet
We need to stop demanding GP appointments for coughs and colds
We need to accept illness and cope rather than demanding GP to sort things
We need to look after our relatives
We need to have frank conversations with regards to resus and end of life planning