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Control freak FIL

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wordywitch · 27/12/2022 10:28

My FIL has always been a difficult man to be around. He’s very controlling about his house and environment, with things needing to be to his exact requirements or he freaks out. He can’t stand noise or mess and dislikes change. For that reason he and my MIL (who is lovely) rarely come to our house, we always go to theirs. FIL doesn’t even like going out to eat very often as he’s a fussy eater and likes things that he’s used to.

He’s a good man and generally kind, but he is very boring to talk to. Never asks anyone about themselves, just drones on for ages about whatever interests him (traffic, the weather, politics, or stuff he did years ago, mainly). My teenage children find him hard to relate to and during our visits their interactions with him are limited. We used to live nearby so would come round for the afternoon and in short bursts but we recently moved further away so when we went for Christmas we stayed over for two nights. It didn’t go particularly well.

FIL has this bizarre insistence on directing me and my husband into and out of the driveway when we arrive and leave, despite us having cameras and sensors for reversing and being perfectly competent drivers. I’ve tried to overlook it and just grit my teeth at being infantilised but on Christmas Eve when we arrived he also insisted on going with me to the shop to ‘direct’ me even though I’ve been to it many times over the years and knew precisely where it was and how to get there. He not only ‘directed’ me but told me how to drive the whole way there, telling me to look both ways when pulling out of side roads and telling me to indicate, where to park, and so on. It was weird.

The rest of the visit, he was constantly irritated at all of us if we so much as put a plate in the wrong place or got our own drink from the fridge as he has an ‘order’ to the drinks that are to be removed to his specification of how chilled they are. He must have said ‘No, not there!’ Or ‘No, not like that!’ a thousand times over two days. By Boxing Day morning I’d had enough of tiptoeing around him and insisted we left after breakfast.

AIBU to think that my FIL has extreme anxiety and control issues that need to be addressed and not just swept under the carpet as ‘the way he is’? My MIL and DH are aware he’s difficult and try to minimise the impact on me and our DC but frankly I’m tired of his behaviour going unchallenged and no one accepting that this is not normal and we (and he) shouldn’t be living like this.

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Brefugee · 27/12/2022 10:33

He sounds annoying and i wouldn't have let him in the car with me knowing this. Or i would have stopped and told him to get out and walk home. (but then, i am very assertive and have no patience for people like this in my space. In their space, they can do what they like)

So it's MIL who has to live with him and presumably has made her peace with it. Your choice is to either never visit again or visit and grit your teeth (maybe step outside now and again to vent to yourself). When you are there just let him do everything. You want a drink? he can get it. You're clearing the table? Pile everything up and let him wash it in order. You'Re washing/drying up? Pile it on the counter and let him put it away. He wants to go in the car with you to the shops? "no, i will go alone".

Weath · 27/12/2022 10:34

I just feel like it's their business if he does anything about it, and not yours. My FIL has some of these behaviours, but it would never be up to me and my DH if we challenged it. It's up to FIL and MIL if they want to do anything about it. About him going out with you in the car.....just say no.

RegularNameChangerVersion21 · 27/12/2022 10:37

Is he neurodiverse OP? Whatever the cause of his behaviour yes it does sound like it's driven by anxiety and a need for control and it must be irritating and difficult to deal with. It does sound like something he is likely to always struggle with though so I'm not sure what 'confronting him' or 'challenging' the behaviour is likely to achieve.

It sounds like having people in his space is difficult for him and not particularly pleasant for them either. Could you stay in a hotel when you visit to make it more manageable for everyone? I would definitely keep visits short too as much as distance allows. If he's a kind man but struggles with anxiety I would be inclined to accomodate him to a certain extent but obviously DH and MiL should be able to acknowledge that his behaviour is patholigical and creates stress for other people, your and your DC feelings should be taken into account too.

Strawberrysundaeonamonday · 27/12/2022 10:37

The behaviours sound harmless to me. Maybe annoying, but just quirks of his nature. I’ve got real toxic family, I would rather a relative like yours.

wordywitch · 27/12/2022 10:38

i didn’t intend to let him come with me to the shop. He came outside with me to ‘direct’ me out as always, and after I’d backed out he approached the car and I rolled the window down thinking he wanted to tell me to get something else and he just got in and sod up his seatbelt before I could say anything. At that point it was easier to just go with it then try to force him out of the car, it was Christmas Eve and I didn’t want to make things weird the moment we arrived. In future I won’t allow it though.

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ExtraOnions · 27/12/2022 10:38

Has he been tested for ASD/OCD?

His behaviour might not be something he has much control over, so confronting anyone about it would be pretty pointless.

Also, your “normal” may not be their “normal” - all families and family dynamics are different

wordywitch · 27/12/2022 10:39

*did up his seatbelt, not sod up 😄

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Blossomtoes · 27/12/2022 10:40

You can’t teach an old dog new tricks @wordywitch. It seems like you’re the only one really bothered by his behaviour.

wordywitch · 27/12/2022 10:43

ExtraOnions · 27/12/2022 10:38

Has he been tested for ASD/OCD?

His behaviour might not be something he has much control over, so confronting anyone about it would be pretty pointless.

Also, your “normal” may not be their “normal” - all families and family dynamics are different

No, though I suspect he has one or both of those things.

I have gone with the flow and made allowances for the 24 years I’ve known him but his behaviour seemed excessive even for him this time. Maybe the stress of Christmas and so on. At any rate, I don’t think we’ll stay over again and will instead drive home or stay in a hotel even if it’s late.

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wordywitch · 27/12/2022 10:46

Blossomtoes · 27/12/2022 10:40

You can’t teach an old dog new tricks @wordywitch. It seems like you’re the only one really bothered by his behaviour.

It bothers my DH too but he’s resigned to it. I just feel sorry for FIL, he doesn’t have to live like that if he got the appropriate support. It can’t be a very nice way to be, constantly anxious. But it’s probably true that he’s never going to change.

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ExtraOnions · 27/12/2022 10:55

wordywitch · 27/12/2022 10:46

It bothers my DH too but he’s resigned to it. I just feel sorry for FIL, he doesn’t have to live like that if he got the appropriate support. It can’t be a very nice way to be, constantly anxious. But it’s probably true that he’s never going to change.

Maybe he’s quite content, and doesn’t need you to come along and try to change him, into your “normal” way of doing things.

As the parent of an ASD teen, I do find Ableism very tiresome.

Tempyname · 27/12/2022 10:57

ExtraOnions · 27/12/2022 10:55

Maybe he’s quite content, and doesn’t need you to come along and try to change him, into your “normal” way of doing things.

As the parent of an ASD teen, I do find Ableism very tiresome.

this!

Brefugee · 27/12/2022 10:57

At that point it was easier to just go with it then try to force him out of the car

if you don't have the backbone to tell him to get out, then it's on you. You just have to either close your ears to it or tell him (politely) to STFU.

I don't generally particularly feel the need to please people who annoy me though, so i am aware that i find this easier than many others do. So in your case, OP, it's all about your strategy to handle it. He gets in the car? concentrate on driving and ignore him. etc etc

wordywitch · 27/12/2022 11:10

ExtraOnions · 27/12/2022 10:55

Maybe he’s quite content, and doesn’t need you to come along and try to change him, into your “normal” way of doing things.

As the parent of an ASD teen, I do find Ableism very tiresome.

He’s not been diagnosed with anything so how is that ableism? I’m concerned he has untreated anxiety, which is making his life and our lives a bit of a misery. Is it really so awful to want him to not have to live like that?

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ExtraOnions · 27/12/2022 11:11

wordywitch · 27/12/2022 11:10

He’s not been diagnosed with anything so how is that ableism? I’m concerned he has untreated anxiety, which is making his life and our lives a bit of a misery. Is it really so awful to want him to not have to live like that?

Has he told you his life is a “misery” ?

Mirabai · 27/12/2022 11:20

He’s not likely to change now even if he had treatment so you either need to put up with it with good humour or avoid him completely.

wordywitch · 27/12/2022 11:27

I find it hard to believe that everyone would have forced their elderly FIL out of their car for a 5 minute journey to the shops on Christmas Eve, but that’s Mumsnet for you! Lol. All these supposedly bolschy souls who never EVER do things to be nice or avoid a scene and always say exactly what they think, no matter the consequences. Yeah, right. Bit like the people who supposedly always have the perfect comeback at the precise moment they are insulted.

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Mirabai · 27/12/2022 11:30

I would certainly not have forced him out of the car, but then I would have ignored his directions anyway.

Brefugee · 27/12/2022 11:31

I'm not a bolshy soul (well, sometimes) but i wouldn't put up with someone annoying me in the car for 5 minutes if i could avoid it by saying "nope" and driving off.

I wouldn't have reached over and punched him in the nose then squealed off with smoke coming off my tyres.

This is part of the problem with MN. It is so bloody binary. either we're all bolshy fuckers or people pleasers. There is just no middle way.

So again: I would have repelled his attempt to come with me, or i'd have just ignored him. I can do both without appearing to be incredibly rude.

And then in his house? just put up with it. Or not go there. It's not difficult.

Stompythedinosaur · 27/12/2022 11:32

Well, now you know what he's like, just don't ever go for that period of time again.

Being "helped" out of the driveway would make me scream. You need to clearly ask him not to do this if he is struggling to pick up the social queues.

W0tnow · 27/12/2022 11:35

I think you did all you could do, and that is, leaving prematurely. That’s what I do. It causes raised eyebrows, but not direct confrontation, or a nuclear fallout. Which is just the way I like it. The way I see it is, they’re not my family. I can’t tell my MIL to stfu any more than I could the Pope. I’m just not prepared to deal with the fallout. My choice.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 27/12/2022 11:37

If he has ASD though it can't be 'treated' or managed really. There is not much support for people that are diagnosed and he would have to want to change. So practically, I think you should just concentrate on what you can change. Like you say, stay somewhere else. Make sure your husband or kids are in the car with you so there is no space for him. Keep your drinks in the car or outside the back door so they don't need to go in the fridge

kingtamponthefurred · 27/12/2022 12:01

You clearly love being a martyr, so crack on.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 27/12/2022 12:12

@wordywitch .I totally get this and I've also had this to the point where I tried earnestly to "help" when I first met DH only to be told everything I did was wrong.

It wasn't told in a nice way either but in an extremely serious way.

Unfortunately the behaviour is so extreme that's it's come between us all just like any extreme behaviour does!

That's the point I think where it needs to be addressed if the person wants to maintain relationships.

None of us feel comfortable in pils house and they make us uncomfortable in ours.
There is no humour or jollyness either to ease it.

Let DH go or invite mil to you.

It's hilarious in a way? The direction of the driving! I'd probably be cracking up at that 🤣🤣.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 27/12/2022 12:16

@Brefugee

Because people are the way they are and don't flick a switch to suddenly change?

But they can learn to become more assertive or less bolshy and rude.

I've certainly with the help of mn becomes slightly more assertive and less guilty when it comes to pils.
And mn has helped me understand them also and what they do what they do .

It's usually a process that the more insightful and helpful posters can actually help with.