To not fully understand the outrage of the gender recognition reform?

[iamop]

Leaving my views at the door on this subject....I am just hoping to gain some clarification on one main point for my own information.

Opponents of the gender reform bill claim that this will effect single sex spaces. I was appalled hearing this but I've done some reading. And it would seem (unless I'm getting this wrong) that due to the equality act 2010, a man claiming to be a female or vice versa can already use single sex spaces due to gender identity being a protected characteristic under this act. And as the equality act is a UK wide legislation implemented under labour, this has nothing to do with the Scottish gov. So am I correct in saying, that actually the gender reform bill won't actually affect single sex spaces any more so than the equality act already does?

I completely disagree with rapists etc being able to change genders and therefore force their victims and the courts to call them by a different pronoun. I think the age of 16 to be able to do this is bonkers, and I think the SNP have lost my vote moving forward.

I was just looking for some clarification to my main point above to be explained by people smarter than myself

Thanks

Right, for anyone who thinks that men won't identify as women to attack the. Please read this.

twitter.com/helensteel12/status/1606198398226296832?s=46&t=Sz_aoYebiVI5UdjU1Lh4Vw

This one from the above link by@TheKeatingFive is a chilling read on the lack of records now being kept and collated in Belgium after five years of self ID. It's worth clicking through to read the whole thread by Roisin

Scottish Government had independence at their fingertips after the shambles of covid/lockdown and a completely incompetent and inadequate UK government. Nicola has more than shot herself in the foot. She has imploded. It’s a shame as they’ve done some great work and the chance to rejoin the EU was a massive step forward for Scottish Nationals but this has sets the tone and any (particularly female) leader of a country who will bend to a minority over the welfare of women and children- when this should be at front and centre stage in any leadership campaign (just look at the statistics of women and children who lose their lives due to gender based violence or sustain life long injuries or disabilities, it’s bigger than illness or car crashes or accidents) and then you have the assaults and violence and abuse in between that goes unreported that utterly ruin FEMALES lives. It’s a travesty. Huge back step for independence and hard to understand. I’d like to know their motivation for this 🤔

I’d like to know their motivation for this

@Toastandavocado so would I. I want to know how they came to so fervently believe any cause that meant throwing half the population of Scotland under the bus was worth the sacrifice?

This. Can’t put into words how bloody depressing it is.

@Boiledbeetle I am so confused. It’s not a direction I thought they would take. I actually thought of Nicola, here’s a Leader who could really run with this… the UK are a shambles. She’s a Paisley girl who knows the ‘ills’ of the world. Run with policies that reflect that. People need protected, people need wider support, people need truthful Politicians, people need the Politicians to understand the true meaning of being a constituent in their constituency/country, and the relevant and fair risks of harm to them and their children, and you as Politicians legislate and campaign accordingly. What am I missing?! Corruption? Is it economic? Is it popular? They are not stupid so surely they’ve risk assessed this? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

As a mum of a 17 year old dd, it’s not just that she’s no longer entitled to privacy. She says changing at school for pe is hard enough with other girls.
more sinisterly this bill opens up massive pressure on her. She says she is trans. She really only likes wearing boys clothes but this bill is pushing her towards hormones. She is putting herself through so much stress and of course now hates us as transpose.
I never thought this would happen to our funny, happy dd.
the whole thing is sinister and beyond dangerous.

So sorry to hear that at @Moomoola and really shows both sides of the argument. Hope your lovely dd gets the support she/he or they, or whatever pronoun they decide for themselves and which makes them happy in life. Still a child- because I believe they are still a child deserves a big cuddle from you and a big cuddle from here ❤️

Toast, this is one of those times i want to time travel 100 years into the future so I can read the history books written about all this. It's going to be fascinating for future generations, even if it is a nightmare to live through.

moomoola as a 50 year old woman who can count on fingers of one hand how many dresses or skirts I've owned since I stopped wearing school uniform I find that heartbreaking. I hope you and her both find your way through this.

In both the Scot govt response and the German govt response mentioned today in threads it's getting increasingly clear that they mean that

a) either women can keep their existing rights or TQ+ people can have 'rights' and it's now acknowledged that the two things are incompatible.

b) a 'good' and 'progressive' thing to do is strip away rights from biological females and award new special rights to biological males ,

c) this is entirely on a sex based basis, while at the same pretending it's because those males have changed sex

d) they believe 'good' females (whatever they are, we all know but are supposed to pretend otherwise sometimes when males like it) would gladly throw down their rights and lay down beneath the feet of males for the good of..... some kind of odd religious righteousness

e) (this when said by a female always somehow refers to other females, they don't actually plan to suffer themselves, it's the 'lesser' females that are being sacrificed in this odd rite. Definitely not them or their mates.

The whole thing just gets steadily more bizarre.

oh and f)

somehow everyone in favour of this is managing to blot out the awareness that any good and moral civil rights movement does no harm to others, never mind gleefully embraces harm to others.

A civil rights movement busy doing that and ok with it is FUBAR, and not actually in truth a civil rights movement.

There are ways perfectly able to manage meeting all needs. This movement requires the harm and subordination of female humans.

(Which don't exist. Unless you're talking about who gets raped/killed/reframes trauma/isnt allowed to be homosexual/can't have equality/no access or inclusion allowed. THEN we know. And without genital checks.)

a) either women can keep their existing rights or TQ+ people can have 'rights' and it's now acknowledged that the two things are incompatible.

Now I'm still trying to work out why at this first point they didn't say

Women as in AHF get to keep their rights, AND TQ+ people will need some rights of their own, e.g. Third spaces third inclusive sport categories etc as it's completely unacceptable to force women out of their own spaces.

But nooooooo that wasn't fucking good enough was it

Oh you've only got to look at the response when you explain that you could provide mixed sex spaces (we'll call them women's spaces if necessary) plus single sex female spaces.

Won't do. You have India Willoughby for example intentionally trotting off giggling to use the single sex female space to ensure that territory is pissed on and that no female escapes uncontrolled and punished.

It's getting plainer and plainer. Unless females are visibly suffering the sacrifice to the god of Gender has not been big enough and the harvest will fail. Or something. It's all so very 1st century.

And really, anyone in any doubt about whether sexism is at the bottom of all this and thriving in modern society, only has to look at who gets what they want (not need) at the expense of removing access, inclusion, equality of legal and civil rights from others. Whatever lipservice is paid in language, it shows everyone knows exactly who the men are.

India posted a screenshot of their invite to a cervical smear the other day. If they have really booked in and forced a nurse to pretend examine their cervix then that says an awful lot about what they think of women.

I'm sure that invite was a very nice feeling in validation terms. But I can't stop reflecting on that these very nice emotional experiences for male people are happening at the expense of females people getting raped in prisons and getting no help from rape crisis services, and being afraid to you know, go for actual needed medical care through actually owning said body part, and staying in life threatening relationships because the refuges are inaccessible.

Which says again: these are very, very sex based decisions. And there is a limit to how much female people can play along at their own expense and male people can expect this never ending 'mummy will sacrifice for you' female indulgence.

Exactly men's wants have always been, are now, and at this rate will also be in the future, prioritised over a woman's needs.

When all the shouting and fighting is done this is what this is all about.

One of the amendments to the Scottish bill was to audit crimes/issues arising from the bill and it was voted out.
If you don’t look for a problem it doesn’t exist…

Why I wonder would you intentionally set out to avoid ensuring equality for all (not just the current favoured pets) and to ensure your actions have worked?

Oh I wonder.

We have never seen such corrupt times. And the TQ+ lobby are insane. They are setting up their own downfall. Another group will come along and be the new pets and they will have established how it's fine to harm others and abandon the old in order to favour the new fashionable group for your own purposes. Live by filthy, grotty politics....

This whole issue is a time bomb. Men being the chief executive of a women's refuge, men being in charge of a women's rape crisis centre, how can this be acceptable? Women at their most vunerable may be searched by a man, may be counselled by a man, and unable to request a woman because it is a (trans) woman. Transwomen are men. The overwhelming majority have fully intact male genitalia, many have not taken hormones. The vociferous, aggressive and often violent 'transwomen' are men in frocks (sometimes), frequently just men who make no attempt to pass as a woman, but who want, for their own sexual needs to claim I am a woman and scream in gender critical women's faces, block women from speaking at public events, stop them viewing films.We are on an incredibly slippery slope, way down it actually, all women need to wake up to what we are losing.

And no one cares whether that nurse is going to feel uncomfortable pretending to look at a cervix that doesn’t exist, while in close proximity to a man.
If she DID say she was uncomfortable IW would obviously shriek ‘transphobe!’ rather than apologise for the situation and ask for someone else who might feel more comfortable performing the examination.
A real woman is socialised to put the feelings of others first, which is another way you can see the misogyny baked into gender ideology- trans rights activists NEVER care that women might be uncomfortable/ in danger as a result of the policies, but women are expected to put the feelings of men above all else.

The New York Times recently published an article claiming that perhaps Louisa May Alcott - author of Little Women - was in fact transgender.
No! Successful women in the past who defied stereotypes, and who railed against the limitations of being female (mostly in pursuit of being taken seriously professionally) are WOMEN who knew damn well they were women and just wanted the freedom to behave as a woman in a man’s world without the pressure to conform. Stop saying that successful/ interesting/ powerful/ clever women weren’t in fact women. That these features meant they ‘were really men’.
Why is it seen as progressive to now strip yet more female role models from the new generation of girls?
So sick of this shit, and sick of Nicola Sturgeon and the wilful rampaging over women and girls.

"Feminism" in 2022: every successful woman in history who defied gender stereotypes and didn't just sit at home doing embroidery was in fact a man.

There honestly is a belief in some parts of the ideology that as woman/female is a chosen identity, oppression is a part of it and anyone choosing that word is willingly embracing the oppression and subordinate passive service animal role.

(Which never explains why only the biologically female ones get the actual oppression and the biologically male ones just flirt with the fun aspects of it in consenting adult games, but logic and sense isn't a visitor in these parts.)

We have had visitors on FWR trying to explain that women here protesting this are TM in denial, because real women wouldn't mind.

It was explained that real women can do absolutely bloody anything they feel like, they just do it while having a biologically female body. And that's the one thing that makes them women.

If IW turns up for a smear how would that ever work? There is no cervix just a small hole surely or does she still have her penis? 🤔