To think most people probably don't need an ambulance...

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Just that really. Also so many people that don't realise you still get triaged in an ambulance and can end up in the waiting room with everyone else...

Obviously not about people who can't mobilise or people or genuinely need one but the amount of stories I heard of people calling ambulances when they really don't need to.

And what about where well meaning members of the public call an ambulance for you, despite the patient protesting.
Or where a patient wakes up in A&E with no idea how they ended up there?

Excellent whataboutery.

In case one clearly not the patient's fault so no charge.

In case two I'm sure it could be established whether it was them who called the ambulance, whether they remember or not.

Neither of these scenarios come close, I suspect, to the volume of needless call outs from conscious adults.

I think the issue here is the percentage increase being highlighted in the papers rather than what it means in real terms 19% sounds a lot, but 19% of a really shitty wage to start with isn’t

they should put the actual current wage of the NHS workers and what that means in actual working wage going forward. The move is not a lot money wise but takes them to a minimum of a decent wage for what they do

This scares the bejesus out if me - being held legally responsible for a parent or sibling.

now, I wonder what people might do if that kind of law was brought in....

@OnTheBoardwalk but the govt cannot give a bumper pay increase to the nurses only, everyone in the NHS will want the same and then all the other unions will want the same.

The unions were not asked by Barclay to negotiate a national agreement.... confirmed by a GMB spokesperson.
Local agreements were made instead on what would and would not be covered, sounds like your trust didn't do this.

If a Govt will not negotiate... what options are left? You are NOT addressing Govt intransigence and just blaming staff.

You should also know patients suffer and die everyday because of the inability to free beds due to SC crisis & shortage of staff.... Ambulances are not dealing with cat 2/3 calls pre strike.

now, I wonder what people might do if that kind of law was brought in....

Are you insinuating that people would start to murder elderly family members rather than let those who need to be in a nursing home go to, you know, live in a nursing home where they're not randomly calling ambulances multiple times?

If so, that seems rather unlikely.

why aren't they talking to RCN about pay?

Do you think 4% is ok?

@EmmaAgain22 They will probably be all for it like they were the lockdowns The same lockdowns that caused a local cab company to go from 50 drivers down to 19 and now they expect taxi drivers to replace some of the ambulances.

Some definitely treat them as a taxi. I know someone who has had multiple ambulances sent to the house in the last few months. They have no way of getting to hospital bar a taxi and wouldn't pay for it. They are elderly and it's usually a fall or breathing difficulty, don't actually think it's that at all as sent home that day/night. Maybe more anxiety attack or something. Often they are in and out same day I'm always thinking wtf.

Do you think 4% is ok?

To be fair, it is far more than many public sector workers received. Many only got 1%.

@Alexandra2001 the strikers have got blood on their hands today, so selfish

I think the question should be ‘does this need a paramedic?’ Thinking about the advanced skills they have and enhanced permissions around drug therapies.

Do they need a trolley? Do they need immediate drugs?

might someone die?

if not, not 999.

In fact many of the public sector workers with the highest offers of payrises are the ones striking. Go figure.

I'm not thinking of the ambulance calls

but that kind of pressure i.e. legal responsibility for someone else, would definitely be the last straw for me and I'd off myself.

I better get off this thread. <waves bye to Jennifer>

@Alexandra2001
I don't know why you are arguing with me.

I am telling you that this has caused harm to actual paye it's in pain who needed ambulance services today and it couldn't or shouldn't wait.

it is a national strike from unions and the local health care trusts are funded by complex funding arrangements negotiated withcentral government, (ie if there's no more money available then is there no more money )

You seem to want me to say "oh yes must just be healthcare trust- damn those meanies" when it clearly isn't.

Bye Emma Take care

*patients not ' paye it's '
That's my autoincorrect sorry

I'm not thinking of the ambulance calls

but that kind of pressure i.e. legal responsibility for someone else, would definitely be the last straw for me and I'd off myself.

I better get off this thread. <waves bye to Jennifer>

I thought the thread was about ambulance calls.

Sorry you're in such a bad way. I hope you are ok.

Oh wow
I know my and mum's local cabbies are very down in numbers but not the exact figures. No one wants to do that job anymore either, understandably.

We book them well in advance for hospital appointments.

one day, this hell will all be over! Take care xx

But this assumes a level of knowledge. Until I gave birth to an asthmatic child and he'd been admitted once, I had no idea that if 10 puffs of salbutamol don't work, you can be given oxygen and a salbutamol nebuliser in an ambulance. For example.

My DD was recently rushed to hospital in a blue lighted ambulance with o2 sats as low as 80%. She could still walk, just. I didn't ask 111 for the ambulance, or for the ambulance to take us. The paramedics wouldn't allow me to take my DD into hospital myself as she needed oxygen.

So, it's not the case that anyone who can walk doesn't need an ambulance.

Perhaps we need to adapt the PTS service to cover this.

Just been discussing on radio that the number of calls to 999 for ambulances today was quieter and docs said number of folks turning up to accident and emergency quieter today to.
So is that folks literally seriously I’ll and dieting at home etc because they are not calling them or does it show many don’t need 999 ?
The radio presenter just said that in lockdown calls went down to, again tho did folks suffer at home and should have been seen or are folks wasting services?

Dieing not dieting

I am telling you my DD's experience today, whatever is "supposed" to be happening with you, its not everywhere... she got a palliative transfer or rather the transfer team did (none medical, cheaper and frees up medics time) and as she said, these things are planned weeks in advance in most cases, one day is not a huge delay...often it will be far longer.... are seriously saying you don't experience transfer delays?

.... why are you and other anti strikers, so strangely quiet on the 200 deaths per week caused by delays in AE and social care?
1/3rd of Cornwall ambulance crews have witnessed death by delay.
But one strike and you re over it like a rash.