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To be furious with MIL (and partner) about smoking?

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CinnamonSquared · 15/12/2022 22:22

I’m currently abroad on a fairly disastrous holiday with my partner and 7 month baby. We are staying with his family, who are all French. My partner still smokes (but only outside and away from the baby) and I used to smoke but gave up when I was pregnant. I occasionally sneak one when the baby is asleep and I have time to wash / brush my teeth after. Not great but very infrequent.

My partner’s family all smoke indoors so I had a discussion with my partner before we came and made it clear that I don’t want them smoking indoors whilst we’re staying with the baby. He appeared to be on the same page. We’re staying with his grandmother, who doesn’t smoke anymore. His Mum lives nearby and smokes like a chimney.

When we first arrived, my partner told everyone the no smoking rule. I don’t speak the language well so I tend to leave any / all confrontation to him plus I do believe it’s better to deal with your own family. I would never drag him into any confrontation I had with mine.

His Mum came for dinner when we’d been here for two days, and, when I took the baby for a nap, convinced him to smoke one cigarette in a bathroom and then was smoking again when I came back to the kitchen. It was a freezing cold day, which is their excuse. Now, I think he massively messed up here and confused everything and I’m annoyed with him about it. He says he thought it was a fair compromise because it’s ‘far away enough from the baby’ and he really tried to convince her not to smoke the kitchen cigarette but she refused. Alas, it’s only gone downhill from there.

My partner’s brother and cousin obeyed the rules and smoked outside but his grandmother, despite being very nice and attentive to my baby, promptly bought a pack and started smoking too. Again, she asked my partner if she could smoke inside in her bedroom (which is upstairs and far-ish away from where the baby sleeps), he said yea and told me he felt he couldn’t say no. I would estimate she smoked 4 last night and 5 this morning. Of course now the house stinks. I told my partner that this made me really uncomfortable.

We were also invited for dinner at my MIL’s house and she insisted she smoke inside so there was a room in the house put aside for it. I was really uncomfortable but didn’t know how to deal with it so just tried to stay away from the smoke with the baby. She smoked probably 4 cigarettes, and her son and nephew also smoked there. It’s probably 15 foot away from where she insisted I feed my baby.

I knew people weren’t exactly thrilled with the smoking boundary (particularly in winter) but I didn’t expect today. I woke up and found that the house stank of smoke again. I took my baby out for a couple of long walks in the freezing weather to keep her away from it and called my Mum for some support. She agreed with me that it was ridiculous people would not put the baby first and avoid smoking inside for the 4 days of our visit.

I then had a blazing row with my partner because he thinks I’m being totally OTT about the whole thing and that the baby being around cigarette smoke a bit for 5 days is ‘no big deal’. I think my boundaries are being ignored and that surely everyone can adhere to baby friendly rules for 5 days. He told me that the whole family thinks I’m utterly unreasonable and that he’s been telling them that ‘it’s her rules, you need to abide to them’ which I feel sets up a dynamic where I’m the bad guy and he’s just an enforcer of my crazy rules.
We made up eventually and he agreed to present a United front and told me that even though everyone thinks I’m being too strenuous they all agree that it’s because I care about my baby and I’m a good Mum. They also all said that the ‘converts’ (people who’ve recently stopped smoking) are the most passionate which I find patronising to say the least.

To give some context this is a family where everyone smokes. The great grandparents smoked in the same car with the children until they were sick, the grandparents then smoked whilst pregnant and with babies and the younger generation, as a result, inevitably all smoke.

So tonight, we were again invited to my MIL’s and at some point in the evening I told her I was going to breastfeed my baby. The baby wasn’t hungry so we returned sooner than usual and walked in on her lighting up in her kitchen (re, not the designated smoking room). My partner snapped at her quite harshly and said again ‘you follow her rules’ or something to that effect, meaning me. She said she was just ‘walking to the smoking room’. She then walked away and said I was an extremist Islamic terrorist (or something to that effect) to her nephew
in French. This is something she does, always bitching about family members to each other, usually about her Mum. I didn’t know that this had happened but my partner heard and lost it. He told her off severely and intensely enough that I left the room with the baby. I don’t really know what he said, but things along the line of ‘if you don’t follow the rules, you won’t see your granddaughter.’ He also told her we’re both worried about her drink driving (and watch her to make sure she’s okay to drive) with the baby because she drinks a lot. I told him to apologise for shouting before we left because I didn’t realise I was the target. I then thanked her for dinner and kissed her cheek like a moron because I didn’t know what was going on.

So, am I being unreasonable to be really pissed off? This is not the first time she’s pushed my boundaries. She calls me her daughter and does grand gestures (pretty jewellery / a trip to the hairdressers) that I feel I can’t refuse but I feel that she’s jealous of my relationship with her son and determined to show me that she’s still the boss in acts of defiance. I hate the family dynamics and the idea that my baby has to be around this bullshit. I had really hoped we could all get on for my baby’s sake. Isn’t there enough evidence now regarding how bad smoking is for babies even if second or third hand? I’m so worried for her health. It’s bad enough that my partner smokes. I also now feel totally isolated and alienated from this family and desperate to get away from them all. So, am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
ChildcareIsBroken · 16/12/2022 06:05

I agree with many posters that next time you need to stay in a hotel. Don't worry that one visit shouldn't do much harm.
But your partner smoking and you smoking a bit might do a lot of harm longterm, please consider stopping. Even smoking away from babies still exposes them to secondary smoke. I talk as a daughter of 2 smokers that is still dealing with health consequences (I never smoked myself).

tunthebloodyalarmoff · 16/12/2022 06:15

CinnamonSquared · 15/12/2022 22:37

Also, not a Muslim, just her idea of a witty comment. I think because of Iran being on the news.

This is nothing to do with it. Look you are protective of your baby that's natural but you can't dictate what other adults do. No one had smoked In the same room as the baby so I think you are being a bit over the top to be honest. Just stay in a hotel then problem solved. It's not worth ruining what relationship you do have over this and I think when you look back in the future you will see you were over the top but we all are when it's our first baby ! I can remember times i went mad over tiny things that I can laugh about now and realise they wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference !

CinnamonSquared · 16/12/2022 06:18

I usually sneak one once every two weeks / once per month when she’s gone to bed for the night.
I then bathe, and brush my teeth and it’s at least 3 hours before I sleep in the same room with her.
My partner is less cautious than that but tries his best.
I totally understand what people are saying about me needing to stop though. I feel guilty every time and it is a slippery slope. It also gives me less of a leg to stand on with his in-laws. The temptation is strong around them because they stress me out.

Thank you for there finally being some people more on my side. I couldn’t believe that everyone thought I was wrong. Definitely mistakes on both sides but I’m not some weird control freak who follows people around counting the fags in ashtrays and refusing to speak their language. I speak probably A Level French, enough to make myself somewhat understood and I comprehend most of what they’re saying but not enough to have complex discussions. Sorry to drip feed add info.

Anyway, lesson learned, stay in hotel or have them come to us. MIL has visited twice since baby’s birth and not put up fuss about smoking outside.

OP posts:
DrMarciaFieldstone · 16/12/2022 06:19

Yabu as you both smoke.

Failingateverything · 16/12/2022 06:20

OP, I feel for you. France is so so shit about smoking. So many people smoke and they all just pretend the dangers to their health somehow don’t apply to them or won’t happen to them. I have French family and it drove me beserk when my baby was small too - and they never smoked inside.
Can you decamp to a hotel now? I would. You will be calmer then when you meet up with his family knowing your baby doesn’t have to sleep in a house full of tabacco smoke.

Failingateverything · 16/12/2022 06:23

The French health department is trying q it’s now illegal to smoke in a car with children - you can be fined 750€
www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F33513

CocoLux · 16/12/2022 06:25

They can do what they want in their own homes. Smoking is legal. Your baby won't actually be harmed, but if it's a line for you then don't let them see the baby. Just don't be surprised if they don't then have a relationship with him or her in future.

Failingateverything · 16/12/2022 06:27

Less official source - but a French doctor going through all the problems of 2nd and 3rd hand smoking:
www.pediatre-online.fr/environnement/tabagisme-passif-chez-lenfant-oui-risque-existe-lui-aller-fumer-balcon-ne-suffit/

Failingateverything · 16/12/2022 06:31

@CocoLux
Smoking around a baby absolutely does cause harm. It increases the risk of asthma and symptoms of asthma. It makes the child more vulnerable to respiratory infection. It increases the risk of SIDS by a huge margin - triples the risk even. Over the course of a week’s holiday that harm might not rise to a level that becomes obvious or requires medical intervention, but the baby’s lungs are still being exposed to a toxic environment.

CinnamonSquared · 16/12/2022 06:33

Thank you! Will pass on (if I get the courage).

Oh, and lastly to address everyone’s point about leaving for a hotel now. We are due to leave France first thing tomorrow morning so unless things get bad, we will most probably stay here until then. I’m not sure how easy it would be to find a hotel as we’re not in mainland France but a tiny island off the coast. Partner’s grandmother has stopped smoking inside (for now) but who knows what the day may bring. Worst case scenario, we get the ferry back today and stay in the mainland.

OP posts:
Computersaysno123 · 16/12/2022 07:59

This thread is mental. You're defo not unreasonable to actually expect the baby's wider family to not selfish cunts and harm a new baby. Absolute disgusting people. And I'm saying this as someone partial to the odd one on a night out. Yes she "can't" control what people do in their own home, but she shouldn't have to. Poor things family don't give a shit about the baby.

Brefugee · 16/12/2022 08:07

Since the trip is nearly done I'd just cut my losses tomorrow and go back to the mainland.

I used to smoke but i have never smoked inside a house or a car, and i have always thought it shit when people do that. If a child is there? unforgiveable.
So now you know for next time: stay elsewhere, and if anyone lights up inside when you're there with DC? go outside and don't come back in.

but you really need to learn French so that you can communicate with your child properly (assuming DH is speaking French to DC?)

18e6281o62 · 16/12/2022 08:42

I'm absolutely on your side, OP. Don't understand the YABU position at all. I get the point about staying in someone elses home but you're not dictating about things that don't matter in the grand scheme of things (e.g. washing up, meals, etc.). Second hand smoke is proven to harm babies; 2 seconds of Internet research has would show anybody that. Ultimately, it's a culture clash rather than a personal attack but challenging nonetheless.

Definitely stay in a hotel next time.

youhavenoshameonyourface · 16/12/2022 08:51

YANBU. Most of my family smoke but always outside their back doors. Your partner's families home must reek. It's bad for them to breathe in their own second hand smoke, bad for you, horrendous for baby's tiny new lungs. They sound childish and haughty and need to grow up and smell the coffee and start acting like adults.

Christmascandycane · 16/12/2022 08:52

You're a smoker and there is more at play here.
Read Allen Carrs easy way.

So much have what you have written and your emotions are classic behaviour.

I can assure you that if you understand it then it will make everything so much clearer for you.

Alexandernevermind · 16/12/2022 09:25

Smoking is a revolting habit. It's horrible to smoke around a baby, so yanbu to be pissed off. You and your partner need to quit too - just because you change your coat, smoke away from the baby etc its still on your skin. If you smoke your child probably will too when they are older.
You can't dictate to someone in their own home about where they are or aren't allowed to smoke. This is a family of addicts. Next time you visit you need to have your own place to stay where people visit you.
A pp said you need to learn French so that they can't bitch about you in a language you don't understand, which I agree with.

Tessasanderson · 16/12/2022 09:39

YANBU. If they cant accept no smoking in the same building as the baby then i would be on the next flight home. Filthy inconsiderate and ignorant of your feelings.

ColonelRhubarbBikini · 16/12/2022 10:06

I’m an ex smoker and definitely not evangelical, I still really enjoy standing with someone who’s having a cigarette, and I can’t believe the amount of negative posts on here. You’ve been lured there under false pretences essentially.

I wonder what the replies would be if it were something else. If you’d said we stayed with the grandmother as everyone else owns great big fuck off dogs and then on day 2 of your stay the grandmother came home with a great big fuck off dog.

Obviously you can’t tell someone what to do in their own home but when you have guests to stay the rules are different. You don’t walk about in your pants and you get stuff in your guests might like. If you invite someone to stay you try your best to make them feel comfortable.

Icannever · 16/12/2022 10:14

I can’t imagine how anyone could think you are unreasonable!
You shouldn’t even have to think about this, no one should smoke with a baby in the house and you shouldn’t even need to ask. No way would I ever go back to visit

CinnamonSquared · 16/12/2022 10:21

There is actually a little dog here (partner’s cousin has brought him on holiday from Paris) who bit my MIL 4 years ago and is quite erratic so I’m on high alert for him and the baby has to be carried 24/7. Just another fun piece of the puzzle. He isn’t allowed to stay with my MIL because her cat is scared of him but they all think it’s fine for him to free roam in the same home as the baby 🙃.

Partner’s cousin gets so hurt when the dog’s nature is questioned that this also becomes a major diplomatic incident and I’ve been asked not to say anything.

Luckily he has been in MIL’s home for the last day because cousin is now annoyed with grandmother (and probably the anti indoor smoking situation) and not wanting to come back here, so that’s a positive from my estrangement from the family.

OP posts:
SchoolQuestionnaire · 16/12/2022 10:36

Amybelle88 · 15/12/2022 23:14

Can't understand why you're being slated here?

Smoking around a baby is fucking disgusting and anyone with half a brain would go outside if they had a baby visiting - whether it was their house or not.

You stayed with the grandmother because she doesn't smoke - I don't understand how this makes you demanding.

Next time stay in a hotel for your own sanity - they're obviously fucking nuts to compare you to an Islamic terrorist as an insult as well as to drink drive and think this ok.

Utterly bizarre that you've been flamed for this, OP.

This. Honestly this place is batshit sometimes. This isn’t about making demands or expecting people to tiptoe around in their own home, smoking is harmful to babies. www.lullabytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/fact-sheet-smoking.pdf

Yes people can do what they like in their own homes but I very much doubt that op
would have agreed to go if they had told her upfront that they would be smoking around her precious child. I certainly wouldn’t want to be around someone who didn’t care enough about my child to smoke outside for just 5 days. You wouldn’t tolerate someone holding your dc incorrectly because you are in their home or driving them without a proper restraint because you are in their car. I fail to see how this is different.

I wouldn’t be going to a hotel in your position, I would be going home and refusing to return. They don’t respect you and they clearly don’t care about your child so they don’t deserve to see them.

Redebs · 16/12/2022 10:57

The house is totally unsuitable to take a baby into. I would leave straight away.
Smoke will have permeated fabrics in the house. The smoke from even 1 cigarette takes 5 hours to clear in the air.

You say your partner still smokes? You do realise he needs to wait at least 30 minutes after an outdoor fag, and wash his hands and face before going near a baby?

www.royalwolverhampton.nhs.uk/services/service-directory-a-z/maternity-unit/maternity-stopping-smoking-support-team/#:~:text=This%20is%20why%20we%20advise,they%20wash%20their%20hands%20first.

Greengagesnfennel · 16/12/2022 11:46

roarfeckingroarr · 15/12/2022 23:00

Weird responses.

YANBU at all OP. You thought you were staying in a non-smoking house and the others could cope with two hours not smoking indoors. These are perfectly reasonable requests when you have a baby.

^this

Sisterfromanotherwhat · 16/12/2022 19:20

Hello! At least you won’t be there much longer. I’m confused to some of the responses on here. Any good parent would be outraged at having potential danger around their baby so YNBU. They would not be saying the same if his family were doing drugs around you and your baby so the excuse of addiction is ridiculous.
Your family in law sound like a nightmare so fingers crossed you last your time there.
At least now you have a good excuse to never stay in their house again and can look forward to a lavish French hotel!
Ignore the silly YBU comments as they probably smoked all the time round their children anyways.
You and your baby take care x

NotToBeOrToBe · 16/12/2022 21:33

My own mum will not meet her DGson because she smokes, and can't even be bothered not to smoke for at least one hour before he arrives.

Her loss.

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