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To be furious with MIL (and partner) about smoking?

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CinnamonSquared · 15/12/2022 22:22

I’m currently abroad on a fairly disastrous holiday with my partner and 7 month baby. We are staying with his family, who are all French. My partner still smokes (but only outside and away from the baby) and I used to smoke but gave up when I was pregnant. I occasionally sneak one when the baby is asleep and I have time to wash / brush my teeth after. Not great but very infrequent.

My partner’s family all smoke indoors so I had a discussion with my partner before we came and made it clear that I don’t want them smoking indoors whilst we’re staying with the baby. He appeared to be on the same page. We’re staying with his grandmother, who doesn’t smoke anymore. His Mum lives nearby and smokes like a chimney.

When we first arrived, my partner told everyone the no smoking rule. I don’t speak the language well so I tend to leave any / all confrontation to him plus I do believe it’s better to deal with your own family. I would never drag him into any confrontation I had with mine.

His Mum came for dinner when we’d been here for two days, and, when I took the baby for a nap, convinced him to smoke one cigarette in a bathroom and then was smoking again when I came back to the kitchen. It was a freezing cold day, which is their excuse. Now, I think he massively messed up here and confused everything and I’m annoyed with him about it. He says he thought it was a fair compromise because it’s ‘far away enough from the baby’ and he really tried to convince her not to smoke the kitchen cigarette but she refused. Alas, it’s only gone downhill from there.

My partner’s brother and cousin obeyed the rules and smoked outside but his grandmother, despite being very nice and attentive to my baby, promptly bought a pack and started smoking too. Again, she asked my partner if she could smoke inside in her bedroom (which is upstairs and far-ish away from where the baby sleeps), he said yea and told me he felt he couldn’t say no. I would estimate she smoked 4 last night and 5 this morning. Of course now the house stinks. I told my partner that this made me really uncomfortable.

We were also invited for dinner at my MIL’s house and she insisted she smoke inside so there was a room in the house put aside for it. I was really uncomfortable but didn’t know how to deal with it so just tried to stay away from the smoke with the baby. She smoked probably 4 cigarettes, and her son and nephew also smoked there. It’s probably 15 foot away from where she insisted I feed my baby.

I knew people weren’t exactly thrilled with the smoking boundary (particularly in winter) but I didn’t expect today. I woke up and found that the house stank of smoke again. I took my baby out for a couple of long walks in the freezing weather to keep her away from it and called my Mum for some support. She agreed with me that it was ridiculous people would not put the baby first and avoid smoking inside for the 4 days of our visit.

I then had a blazing row with my partner because he thinks I’m being totally OTT about the whole thing and that the baby being around cigarette smoke a bit for 5 days is ‘no big deal’. I think my boundaries are being ignored and that surely everyone can adhere to baby friendly rules for 5 days. He told me that the whole family thinks I’m utterly unreasonable and that he’s been telling them that ‘it’s her rules, you need to abide to them’ which I feel sets up a dynamic where I’m the bad guy and he’s just an enforcer of my crazy rules.
We made up eventually and he agreed to present a United front and told me that even though everyone thinks I’m being too strenuous they all agree that it’s because I care about my baby and I’m a good Mum. They also all said that the ‘converts’ (people who’ve recently stopped smoking) are the most passionate which I find patronising to say the least.

To give some context this is a family where everyone smokes. The great grandparents smoked in the same car with the children until they were sick, the grandparents then smoked whilst pregnant and with babies and the younger generation, as a result, inevitably all smoke.

So tonight, we were again invited to my MIL’s and at some point in the evening I told her I was going to breastfeed my baby. The baby wasn’t hungry so we returned sooner than usual and walked in on her lighting up in her kitchen (re, not the designated smoking room). My partner snapped at her quite harshly and said again ‘you follow her rules’ or something to that effect, meaning me. She said she was just ‘walking to the smoking room’. She then walked away and said I was an extremist Islamic terrorist (or something to that effect) to her nephew
in French. This is something she does, always bitching about family members to each other, usually about her Mum. I didn’t know that this had happened but my partner heard and lost it. He told her off severely and intensely enough that I left the room with the baby. I don’t really know what he said, but things along the line of ‘if you don’t follow the rules, you won’t see your granddaughter.’ He also told her we’re both worried about her drink driving (and watch her to make sure she’s okay to drive) with the baby because she drinks a lot. I told him to apologise for shouting before we left because I didn’t realise I was the target. I then thanked her for dinner and kissed her cheek like a moron because I didn’t know what was going on.

So, am I being unreasonable to be really pissed off? This is not the first time she’s pushed my boundaries. She calls me her daughter and does grand gestures (pretty jewellery / a trip to the hairdressers) that I feel I can’t refuse but I feel that she’s jealous of my relationship with her son and determined to show me that she’s still the boss in acts of defiance. I hate the family dynamics and the idea that my baby has to be around this bullshit. I had really hoped we could all get on for my baby’s sake. Isn’t there enough evidence now regarding how bad smoking is for babies even if second or third hand? I’m so worried for her health. It’s bad enough that my partner smokes. I also now feel totally isolated and alienated from this family and desperate to get away from them all. So, am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
CinnamonSquared · 15/12/2022 23:12

I estimated the cigarette numbers because my OH insisted on it for fairness when I told him I was writing the post. Not me being weird.

OP posts:
Improvising · 15/12/2022 23:13

Nope. I was a fairly heavy smoker but stopped when I found out I was pregnant. I loved smoking but that's a hard line. If your partner isn't on board then you have to go alone. Non negotiable in my opinion

Amybelle88 · 15/12/2022 23:14

CinnamonSquared · 15/12/2022 22:58

Jesus, this is not going the way I thought it would. How are my demands crazy? I have none! I never ask them for everything, fit into everyone’s schedule and basically don’t say boo to a goose. All I asked is that they not smoke around the baby, having insisted we come and stay with them.

i definitely should have asked my partner to discuss it beforehand and if smoking inside was top priority, to find a hotel, which is a big error, but how is anything I’ve done outrageous? Leaving and going to a hotel would be seen as a far greater insult than anything I’ve done. I’m just doing damage control for the baby at this point.

Can't understand why you're being slated here?

Smoking around a baby is fucking disgusting and anyone with half a brain would go outside if they had a baby visiting - whether it was their house or not.

You stayed with the grandmother because she doesn't smoke - I don't understand how this makes you demanding.

Next time stay in a hotel for your own sanity - they're obviously fucking nuts to compare you to an Islamic terrorist as an insult as well as to drink drive and think this ok.

Utterly bizarre that you've been flamed for this, OP.

BreadInCaptivity · 15/12/2022 23:17

Do I think it's appropriate to smoke in a house with children? - hard no.

Do I think it's appropriate to tell people how to behave/what to do in their own home? - hard no.

I don't think you are wrong in not wanting people to smoke around your baby - rather it's it's the right parenting response and I'd be pissed off re: your partner not feeling the same.

That said, I would not have agreed to stay at the home of "indoor smokers" in the first place (I make the distinction because people who smoke outside their home might contaminate themselves but do not
saturate their home with nicotine which is impactful whether they light up in front of your or not).

I've booked AirB&B when visiting indoor smoking friends with children and had them "visit" us. Outside smokers I'm more relaxed about but in both cases no close contact with babies/children for 30 mins post cigarette.

EcafTnuc · 15/12/2022 23:24

I hope you and your partner avoid the baby for 30 minutes after you’ve smoked? Awful hypocrisy if not.

Geppili · 15/12/2022 23:25

Stay in a hotel next time.

Aquamarine1029 · 15/12/2022 23:31

Smoking is disgusting, but it's incredible that you think you can dictate what people do in their own home. They have always smoked, they smoked around their own children and see nothing wrong with it. You really thought they would have some epiphany now?

Cactusprick · 15/12/2022 23:35

Amybelle88 · 15/12/2022 23:14

Can't understand why you're being slated here?

Smoking around a baby is fucking disgusting and anyone with half a brain would go outside if they had a baby visiting - whether it was their house or not.

You stayed with the grandmother because she doesn't smoke - I don't understand how this makes you demanding.

Next time stay in a hotel for your own sanity - they're obviously fucking nuts to compare you to an Islamic terrorist as an insult as well as to drink drive and think this ok.

Utterly bizarre that you've been flamed for this, OP.

Completely agree.
You also said that the grandmother had given up smoking which is why you were staying there, so you aren’t dictating people in their own homes. Some people clearly haven’t read the post properly.

Afreshstar · 15/12/2022 23:35

roarfeckingroarr · 15/12/2022 23:00

Weird responses.

YANBU at all OP. You thought you were staying in a non-smoking house and the others could cope with two hours not smoking indoors. These are perfectly reasonable requests when you have a baby.

Yes I find some of these very weird responses.

OP you were perhaps ever so slightly naive considering the wider family smoke and it’s France and winter time but I think overall your expectations were reasonable considering the grandmother didn’t smoke and it was her house you were staying, and your partner agreed to tell his family not to smoke indoors during your stay. Especially as it was only 4 days. A lot of smokers are very selfish unfortunately.

Lesson learnt for next time. Go in summer, stay in a hotel and meet in no smoking venues or outdoors and don’t be afraid to tell them You’re walking off with the baby if they light up.

Cactusprick · 15/12/2022 23:36

Aquamarine1029 · 15/12/2022 23:31

Smoking is disgusting, but it's incredible that you think you can dictate what people do in their own home. They have always smoked, they smoked around their own children and see nothing wrong with it. You really thought they would have some epiphany now?

But when they arranged to stay there (at the grandmother’s house) she had quit smoking.
So she didn’t think she needed to ask her not to smoke in her own home. I don’t think you read the post throughly.

rattlinbog · 15/12/2022 23:42

Just to say OP don't "sneak one" when the baby is asleep. It's a really slippery slope... your baby deserves non-smoking parents.

Natty13 · 15/12/2022 23:42

Even third hand smoke has been proven to be a risk to infants, never mind second hand so I do think anyone who ignores this risk in the name of "getting along" deserves whatever comes to them.

Protecting my babies was my #1 priority, idgaf what anyone else thought about that.

Cocopogo · 15/12/2022 23:42

You lost me at the drink driving bit

CockSpadget · 15/12/2022 23:45

I don’t think your being at all unreasonable. You thought you were going to be staying in a smoke free home, only to find out when you got there it wasn’t the case. And as for the MIL, etc, they are pathetic, can’t even go a few hours without a fag for the sake of a young baby. Calling you a terrorist is disgusting, and drink driving is the icing on the cake. She sounds horrendous.

Natty13 · 15/12/2022 23:47

Also my ex is French. Once in the early days there was a row over his father "not going to be told what to do in his own home" i.e. being asked to knock before entering the shared bathroom (no lock), knock before entering the room we were staying in. I made no argument, said I completely agree your house your rules. We will be staying in the nearest hotel 30 mins away from now on since your "rule" involve you walking in on me on the toilet or getting dressed. Guess what, we stayed in the hotel once and as soon as he realised that I would not be backing down he changed his tune. French can be stubborn you have to be more so if you are going to be able to relax in any way.

Growlybear83 · 15/12/2022 23:51

I think you're being totally unreasonable and ridiculous. I definitely wouldn't want my baby to be in a house where several people were smoking, but while you can ban people from smoking in your own house, you don't have the right to expect others to change their habits in their homes! I suspect you won't have a problem with the family in the future - they're highly unlikely to invite you again after this!

EscapeRoomToTheSun · 15/12/2022 23:57

Well I wouldn't be going back, not for shit. I would also be watchful of a partner who would throw me in front of the bus so easily.

NeedAHoliday2021 · 16/12/2022 00:05

The conversations re smoking should have been had before you arrived rather than once there. Sadly you can’t say no smoking in a home that you don’t own. I would have moved to a hotel by now.

MarieKlepto · 16/12/2022 00:19

This is a bit of an odd thread. I'm an ex-smoker (quite heavy at one point, but I've not turned into an anti-smoking evangelist). Even now, I have a vape on hand just in case (v. occasionally used). When I smoked cigarettes, I never smoked around non-smokers in the home, whether they were in my home or I was in theirs, adults or children. I went outside or in my home, to a workshop type room (warm, with sofa) off the kitchen. Smokers were pointed to the "smoking room". No one had a problem with it. Including me, when I smoked in my own home.

nocoolnamesleft · 16/12/2022 00:44

It's a shame smoking in front of babies can't be treated as what it is: so harmful to their health that it should be counted as a form of abuse.

NumberTheory · 16/12/2022 00:55

I don’t think you’ve behaved outrageously, but I do think you were presumptuous in what you expect from your boyfriend’s family.

Not smoking around babies is a fairly well established norm in the UK now. But it wasn’t that way just a few decades ago and it still isn’t that way in a lot of countries. It’s, at best, naive to think you can expect others to agree to moderate their addiction because you don’t find it acceptable when it’s culturally acceptable to them and you’re in their country. You (and in particular your partner) really needed to a lot more groundwork before you arrived if you’d wanted this to go smoothly.

Ponderingwindow · 16/12/2022 01:00

I am very anti-smoking. I only see my smoking relatives in places where they will be completely unable to access their vice. None of them met dd until she was well past the age to be held.

I wouldn’t go into their homes and ask them not to smoke though. I just will never step foot in their homes.

since they didn’t agree to your terms to facilitate a visit, the first time someone lit a cigarette, I would have left. That was your signal to pack up your baby and go home. You should still do this. Your partner isn’t supporting you and your child’s health is being jeopardized.

Ponderingwindow · 16/12/2022 01:07

Stupid lack of edit button…

since the DID agree to your terms

HotWashCycle · 16/12/2022 01:12

Couldn't you just leave? This situation has not been handled well, but your baby's health is paramount. I can't understand why you would continue the visit in these cicumstances.

JFDIYOLO · 16/12/2022 01:12

Learn some more French.

Say no. They can't insist you bring your baby.

Find a nice hotel.

They are addicts to tobacco and alcohol, which is in itself an uhealthy environment for a child.