That schools should close tomorrow where it is snowyy...

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I feel like we should be prepared for days where it'll be difficult for teachers and some children to get into school due to bad weather, so online learning can take place instead!

They were obsessed with their own protection when shop workers, NHS staff, transport staff had been working throughout. And got on with it

Of course teachers look out for themselves, who else is going to do it?

I particularly love it when teachers can't make it into work from perfectly accessible roads and as a parent I can manage to drop my son perfectly safely at school and go to work. Odd isn't it.

“Why were teachers so special?”.

Holy shit, it’s 2020 again. My Time Machine has worked!

The online whining was all about their own health and safety. The kids were never mentioned by a significant number. I can only say what I read at the time with my own eyes!

It is an odd culture. Look at this thread. Started by a teacher saying, ‘we should be prepared for days where it'll be difficult for teachers and some children to get into school due to bad weather’. No other profession has started a thread saying they don’t want to go to work!!

But it's never the teachers demanding this, it's the parents who then love to call teachers lazy

No, people in essential jobs do not always manage to make it into work when the weather’s snowy / icy.

If they can get in, then they will, but if they live far enough away that they need to drive / take public transport, then they’ll face the same problems everyone else has.

Which will mean some essential workers being several hours late for work, or unable to make it at all, if the routes they use are gridlocked or blocked.

Teachers can't control the health and safety of children, they can only control their own.

Schools are open in my area of SE London. Barely an inch and melting.

Well I'm a teacher who can't go to my open work as my kids school and pre school are closed, plus loads of others round here.

A teacher started this thread demanding it!

It's not simple at all. The LA I would apparently be turning up to doesn't know me because I don't work for them. Who would allocate me?

Thinking about it I assume you'd be allocated your closest school in the LA you work. Ie if you drive past other schools to get to yours. If you can't get there you can't get there but enough people might to keep it open for the dc that do. It's obviously possible as it's a thing here - I wasn't the one who worked out the details I just know where I'm meant to go.

Trains always find a reason - too hot, too cold, too leafy, too wet, too windy. It’s a running joke that South Eastern is like Goldilocks.

It is an odd culture. Look at this thread. Started by a teacher saying, ‘we should be prepared for days where it'll be difficult for teachers and some children to get into school due to bad weather’. No other profession has started a thread saying they don’t want to go to work!!

The OP never said they didn't want to go to work, they specifically said online learning needs to be in train. That is work.

Let's not pretend schools are safe environments for all kids. Bullying is rife at most schools and i bet it's a dream come true for those poor bullied kids when schools are shut!

NHS and shop workers were wearing protective clothing, had screens, time limited interaction with people who were also required to wear masks. None of that was in place when schools were being asked to originally reopen and actually shop workers, bankers, bus drivers etc did demand protection as well. Thanks to these demands from teachers, heads and unions actions were taken to make schools safer for everyone including pupils.

Not a single teacher I know was enjoying online learning and I can't think of any who would like to go back to it. Instead of getting your opinions from tabloid headlines why don't you actually listen to teachers many on this thread and many threads on MN have said this time and time again.

Lots of teacher hating on this thread again, but once more if you actually listen to the teachers here. They have zero say in closing the school. Staff ratio can be a factor but it usually isn't, usually enough staff get in to cover the typically small amount of kids who make it. My one actual snow day in over ten years teaching followed a site inspection that a pipe had frozen and there was a problem with the water supply.

Christ, I cannot believe I'm still having to explain this to the hard of thinking.

Teachers were not special. Every industry and work setting at the time had to assessed their health and safety needs according to their own situation. Health workers were given PPE, yet the Govt refused to let teachers wear masks in class because they impacted teaching until the unions kicked up a fuss, even though everyone knows schools are petri dishes of infection at the best of times. And because the unions fought hard on behalf of teachers, the right wing media whipped it up into a false narrative of teachers being lazy. That wasn't true, they just wanted to be SAFE. Again, workers in health settings HAD PPE. Schools were also meant to get air filtration units for classrooms but hardly any did – about 700 out of thousands that were promised. That's why you seriously cannot compare what happened in schools to hospitals etc – the settings were never a level playing field.

Agree. It feels like we have gone back in time!

I take it you know the addresses of all these teachers, whether or not they drive and whether or not their own childrens' schools are open, then?

Our school is closed, happy days

It's not extraordinary conditions, though is it? Like a pp claimed. We should be used to a bit of snow. Get the roads gritted. People reacting like we've never had this before.

Oh here we go. Teachers are whining, feckless, lazy, don’t care about the kids, know nothing about the vulnerable ones, and prefer to stay at home rar rar rar.

Theres a very simple answer to that. Get yourselves on PGCEs and do it better. If you cared about the children then you would…

I worked on a ward throughout. Cancelled leave etc. We had to work for the first couple of months with no PPE. No colleagues refused to work. Transport staff had no PPE. They were coughed on by hundreds and thousands of members of the public. My ward had no filtration and windows that barely opened. Not great but we got on with it. But teachers needed filtration units! They were seeing the same 30 ish families every day so were safer than most public-facing professions.

I am not sure some teachers will ever have the insight to see how poorly some of their number behaved.

Good grief is the pandemic going to be used against teachers forever? Were Teachers running the NHS? Were teachers in charge of the pandemic response? Buying ventilators? PPE? They weren't even in charge of whether schools closed. Government decisions.

Schools closed here and I'm grateful. Didn't really fancy my disabled kid spending an hour in a taxi on ungriitted backroad to get to SN school.

The nearest school in the LA in which I work is even more difficult to get to if the roads and rails are bad than mine.
And if I do turn up to babysit someone else's students, that's not education. I'd be better off teaching online like I did during the pandemic - at least that way there's actual teaching going on.

No. I have NHS patients to care for and work full-time so am pretty busy. I can’t teach at the same time unfortunately!