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That schools should close tomorrow where it is snowyy...

442 replies

SunshineAndSummer · 11/12/2022 20:37

I feel like we should be prepared for days where it'll be difficult for teachers and some children to get into school due to bad weather, so online learning can take place instead!

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thelobsterquadrille · 12/12/2022 06:49

Florenz · 12/12/2022 06:47

Winter driving needs to be included in the driving test.

I was taught how to drive in winter, but I've only ever had to do it once. It's easy to forget what to do when it happens once every 4-5 years.

Tirrrrred · 12/12/2022 06:50

A lot of the roads should be cleared.

We walk through lots of side roads and snickets which are so dangerous.

I'm not sure what to do.

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 06:51

toomuchlaundry · 12/12/2022 06:40

@SpicyFoodRocks I am also getting flashbacks to the pandemic, where many posters suddenly appeared saying we need to think about the vulnerable children if schools closed. But these posters never seem to think about these vulnerable children when schools are open. They can be forgotten about then, as they have 6 hours of safety a day, so who cares about the rest of the time they are not in school. Shouldn’t we be trying to ensure these children have a safe haven 24/7 and worrying that they don’t

I can’t speak about those who don’t care about vulnerable kids at other times. I work with vulnerable families and that’s why I know schools should have re-opened after the initial few weeks.

Like during the pandemic, during bad weather, there is a vocal minority of teachers who like schools shutting and don’t care about the implications for kids. It’s all about them. After what I have seen and heard from some (not all) teachers over the last few years, nothing will convince me otherwise. It’s been a real eye-opener.

Talapia · 12/12/2022 06:52

So the advice is not too travel but still some MN's claim they no better.

For all those citing hospital staff who apparently get in no matter what. How fucking stupid are you ? Of course they don't, they use locums (my DC are locum staff), cancel non emergency surgery and will be short staffed as fuck.

Talapia · 12/12/2022 06:54

Sorry , know better !

Typing at speed as I'm one of the people who will be 'expected' to get into work despite the travel advice !

XelaM · 12/12/2022 06:57

Well, my daughter's school is closed today 😃

I'm very happy about it as driving her there would be a nightmare in this weather.

JRHartley72 · 12/12/2022 06:58

DC's north London school has just confirmed it cannot safely open because of the conditions so they are switching to remote learning.

echt · 12/12/2022 06:58

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 06:51

I can’t speak about those who don’t care about vulnerable kids at other times. I work with vulnerable families and that’s why I know schools should have re-opened after the initial few weeks.

Like during the pandemic, during bad weather, there is a vocal minority of teachers who like schools shutting and don’t care about the implications for kids. It’s all about them. After what I have seen and heard from some (not all) teachers over the last few years, nothing will convince me otherwise. It’s been a real eye-opener.

Teachers didn't close schools during the pandemic, nor do they close schools for snow.

liveforsummer · 12/12/2022 07:04

Florenz · 12/12/2022 06:34

I don't think there has ever been deep enough snow in this country to warrant the closing of schools. They should open and kids should make every effort to get there.

Not sure where you live but in my memory I've had snow that stopped us getting out the front door, snow that filled in our track up the six feet deep, snow so heavy that it filled up the main road with bankings either side so high (then froze) that it was closed for a week while they had to bring specialist equipment in the clear it as a standard ploughs didnt stand a chance so yes there is certainly snow deep enough to close schools although in my part of Scotland the level of snow we're currently experiencing isn't doing so

JodiePants · 12/12/2022 07:05

I was hoping my school was closed but only because I'm 38 weeks pregnant and have never driven in snow/ice before and am too far away to walk/get public transport. But we're not closed so going to brave it and hope the stress doesn't send me into labour haha. There could be an A bomb and my school would still stay open. Ours was the only one in the borough that stayed open last time there was bad snow many years ago(I lived within walking distance back then).

Pl242 · 12/12/2022 07:05

Our DC Primary School shut. Small catchment meaning all could walk but not enough teachers can get in so closed

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 07:06

echt · 12/12/2022 06:58

Teachers didn't close schools during the pandemic, nor do they close schools for snow.

I didn’t say they closed schools. The fuss some made about the June 2020 opening was just awful. The whining, selfishness and lack of care for the kids was something I won’t forget.

liveforsummer · 12/12/2022 07:07

Also after 'the best from the east' our council has implemented snow schools- where staff go to their closest school rather than their workplace in order to keep schools open for those who can get there. Not sure how it will work in theory as it's yet to have been needed

FrippEnos · 12/12/2022 07:09

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 07:06

I didn’t say they closed schools. The fuss some made about the June 2020 opening was just awful. The whining, selfishness and lack of care for the kids was something I won’t forget.

I won't forget that teachers didn't want schools closed they/we wanted batter protection for teachers so schools could stay open.

But various posters seem to want to make stuff up about what was going on.

MrsHamlet · 12/12/2022 07:11

liveforsummer · 12/12/2022 07:07

Also after 'the best from the east' our council has implemented snow schools- where staff go to their closest school rather than their workplace in order to keep schools open for those who can get there. Not sure how it will work in theory as it's yet to have been needed

How does that work? I live in a different LA to where I work. My closest school is an infant school. No one in their right mind would think "this person who claims to be a teacher can just come in because Mrs Thing is off". That's a safeguarding nightmare.

Forever42 · 12/12/2022 07:11

mogsrus · 12/12/2022 06:43

every school I went too all those yrs ago never closed, you just accepted that the show went on. We didn’t have local radio in those days so no updates, only one in our st had a phone. You just got on with it,

In the 80s we had snow closures ( South East).

JRHartley72 · 12/12/2022 07:11

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 06:51

I can’t speak about those who don’t care about vulnerable kids at other times. I work with vulnerable families and that’s why I know schools should have re-opened after the initial few weeks.

Like during the pandemic, during bad weather, there is a vocal minority of teachers who like schools shutting and don’t care about the implications for kids. It’s all about them. After what I have seen and heard from some (not all) teachers over the last few years, nothing will convince me otherwise. It’s been a real eye-opener.

You work with vulnerable kids, but do you actually work day in day out in a school setting? It's lazy thinking to judge teachers for shutting schools when it was the local health and education authorities who ruled them shutting in the pandemic. Just think how many additional deaths beyond the 200,000+ the UK has suffered there might have been had schools been forced open.

Yes, you have added the disclaimer of some but it still tars them all and it's not fair. My OH didn't stop working throughout the pandemic – when he wasn't on site he was online.

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 07:11

FrippEnos · 12/12/2022 07:09

I won't forget that teachers didn't want schools closed they/we wanted batter protection for teachers so schools could stay open.

But various posters seem to want to make stuff up about what was going on.

Exactly. They were obsessed with their own protection when shop workers, NHS staff, transport staff had been working throughout. And got on with it.

Anyway, I won’t derail further. I am just getting irritated all over again!!

JRHartley72 · 12/12/2022 07:13

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 07:06

I didn’t say they closed schools. The fuss some made about the June 2020 opening was just awful. The whining, selfishness and lack of care for the kids was something I won’t forget.

If anyone complained it was probably because we were still in the grip of a pandemic, FFS! Thousands were still dying every day! Can you honestly say with hindsight they weren't right to be cautious? Or didn't the health and vulnerability of school staff matter at all?

JRHartley72 · 12/12/2022 07:14

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 07:11

Exactly. They were obsessed with their own protection when shop workers, NHS staff, transport staff had been working throughout. And got on with it.

Anyway, I won’t derail further. I am just getting irritated all over again!!

And they WERE working throughout. Online and at home. Just because school BUILDINGS were shut, doesn't mean schools were.

liveforsummer · 12/12/2022 07:14

How does that work? I live in a different LA to where I work. My closest school is an infant school. No one in their right mind would think "this person who claims to be a teacher can just come in because Mrs Thing is off". That's a safeguarding nightmare.

Because you will be allocated to that school by your name - they will know who is coming - which will also be on your work ID. Fairly simple!

echt · 12/12/2022 07:15

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 07:06

I didn’t say they closed schools. The fuss some made about the June 2020 opening was just awful. The whining, selfishness and lack of care for the kids was something I won’t forget.

Fuss = concern about the safety of those in the schools.
Whining = something you don't like and can't be arsed describing the actual arguments.
Selfishness = concern for the safety of staff. And why not?
Lack of care for the kids = blah generalisations that mean fuck all. What lack of concern? Go on. Tell us what don't you?

SpicyFoodRocks · 12/12/2022 07:16

JRHartley72 · 12/12/2022 07:13

If anyone complained it was probably because we were still in the grip of a pandemic, FFS! Thousands were still dying every day! Can you honestly say with hindsight they weren't right to be cautious? Or didn't the health and vulnerability of school staff matter at all?

Can you explain why their health and safety mattered more than the many workers who didn’t stop working with the public from March 2020? Why were teachers so special?

MrsHamlet · 12/12/2022 07:16

liveforsummer · 12/12/2022 07:14

How does that work? I live in a different LA to where I work. My closest school is an infant school. No one in their right mind would think "this person who claims to be a teacher can just come in because Mrs Thing is off". That's a safeguarding nightmare.

Because you will be allocated to that school by your name - they will know who is coming - which will also be on your work ID. Fairly simple!

It's not simple at all. The LA I would apparently be turning up to doesn't know me because I don't work for them. Who would allocate me?

toomuchlaundry · 12/12/2022 07:17

@SpicyFoodRocks but most of those employers had restrictions placed on them. Not all trains etc were running. Shops had very restricted numbers, many of the protective screens are still in use. My GP’s surgery still has restricted seating!

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