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To stop the kids going down to him?

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Stressymam · 04/12/2022 16:15

My 2 eldest children have weekend visits to their dad every other weekend (unless the children decide to stop home or he has to work).

About a month and half ago my youngest daughter let slip that dad has been stealing. I asked her what he had stolen and she said shopping like what we get. I asked was it food or clothes or something else and she said some was food and some was cleaning stuff and car fresheners. I asked her how did she know he had stolen (I was unsure of when she was referring to him stealing) and she said he gave stuff to her and her older sister and told them to keep quiet and keep walking out of the shop.

A few days later I asked both kids about what they had been asked to carry and take out of the shop and they both said that he does it every time they go down and they go shopping with him. He has even taken trolleys of shopping. (I only have their word on the trolley part)

I decided to ring him and ask him what has been going on. He agreed he had asked the girls to carry things out of the shops for him a few times and he had done it because money was tight. I told him his financial situation was none of my concern or the kid's concern either. I told him not to rope the kids in. (they are 10 and 11 and looking on Internet they can be arrested etc) He agreed he wouldn't do it again with the kids. I said I would keep them home if I found he did it again.

Roll on to today kids come home and say he had them carrying bleach and milk and tissues out of sainsburys down were he lives. Not only that he filled his car with fuel and filled a petrol tank and put it in the footwell where the kids were sat. And then backed out of the petrol station. I couldn't care about the petrol as that is soley on him but yet again he is using the kids, aswell as their 4 year old sister, to steal things.

I am beyond livid. I have explained to them they can be arrested and held as they are 10 and over. I live 2 hours away from where he lives and I would be devastated if I received a phonecall to say they had been arrested with him. I don't want that for them. I want to stop them going down because he clearly isn't listening and I warned him they would stop with me if he did it again with them. He clearly has no care for them or anything that can come of this. I've said the kids I will think about whether they go down again over the next week. I think I should keep them home but I wanted other people's view, opinions and perspective of this situation. Please help because I don't know where to go from here.

Many thanks for reading.

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Stressymam · 05/12/2022 19:07

Thank you for your reply. I had no idea if I could or not. You seem very knowledgeable about this kind of thing. Thank you. I think I will message him then and go from there. Thank you again

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KettrickenSmiled · 05/12/2022 19:12

Stressymam · 05/12/2022 19:07

Thank you for your reply. I had no idea if I could or not. You seem very knowledgeable about this kind of thing. Thank you. I think I will message him then and go from there. Thank you again

Not particularly knowledgeable Stressymum, but decades of life experience, some of it around dodgy men & their antics around children. You need to get more pro-active: nothing will change until you make it change.
Most importantly - for your kids, who need this decision about whether to visit dad taken out of their hands, & need you to ensure there is some kind of Safeguarding & SS intervention.

Very best of luck with it, & keep posting for support. Flowers

Stressymam · 05/12/2022 19:16

Well thank you once again for your advice. I really appreciate it. I will definitely message him and I will hopefully hear back from SS this week and they will know more of what the next steps are.

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PollyPut · 05/12/2022 20:06

@Stressymam just thinking about the petrol station - it is conceivable that it is one of those "pay at pump" fuel stations and he did actually pay. Unless you're certain that it's not, then be aware that he might have paid for the fuel without your child realising.

Stressymam · 05/12/2022 20:14

Yes I think it is possible he used the pay at pump. She did confirm she couldn't be sure she just remembered seeing him putting the pump to the car and then backing out the garage once he had finished. We don't have that many pay at pumps where I live so she will be used to coming into the garage with me to pay for the fuel. Not very often I have them with me when I fill up. Point being is I have explained this is more than likely the case rather than him doing a runner.

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Axolotlquestions · 05/12/2022 20:34

Ilovelurchers · 05/12/2022 13:55

I think reporting your children's father to the police and social services is an extreme action to take which will have far reaching consequences for him and them and the relationships between you all. If your children love him I would think very carefully about doing it.

He is shop-lifting from supermarkets. Clearly some posters on here find this an extremely immoral action, and perhaps you do too - morality is subjective. At the end of the day you have to do what you believe to be best for your children of course. But I don't think that's ethically straight forward.

If everybody who shoplifted was banned from seeing their kids, there would be a lot of unhappy children in the world......

You are minimising.

glasshole · 05/12/2022 20:50

In your shoes I would report this to the police. They will absolutely 100% treat your children as victims and they can look at shops/dates for proof and then you have legal traction for preventing visitation

MadameMackenzie · 05/12/2022 23:52

@Proneu82 You have single handedly decided that as OP's ex is a criminal that he must be also 'fraudulently claiming benefits' (despite op mentioning several times that he works). I'm not defending him AT ALL but this is blatant stereotyping and only serves to harm those who have no choice but to rely on benefits.

MadameMackenzie · 05/12/2022 23:57

@Proneu82
Whether or not he pays maintenance is totally & completely irrelevant to your stereotyping! Just because he's a shoplifter doesn't mean he's also fraudulently claiming benefits! People who work can be criminals too ya know?!

Just like how people on benefits (either fraudulently or legitimately) aren't all criminals too!

Unbelievable

Proneu82 · 06/12/2022 06:07

MadameMackenzie · 05/12/2022 23:52

@Proneu82 You have single handedly decided that as OP's ex is a criminal that he must be also 'fraudulently claiming benefits' (despite op mentioning several times that he works). I'm not defending him AT ALL but this is blatant stereotyping and only serves to harm those who have no choice but to rely on benefits.

You do understand that the OP saying he works is kinda relevant to my statement that I think he’s likely fraudulently claiming benefits?? 😂

Proneu82 · 06/12/2022 06:09

Stereotyping a shoplifter using his children to shoplift, who intentionally drives off without paying for petrol who suddenly suddenly completely stopped paying through CMS years ago as a likely benefit fraud candidate? Hell yes.

Proneu82 · 06/12/2022 06:13

What would be an “unfair” stereotype would be something along the lines of…

The OP says
”my ex, who comes from a working class background and never learned to read or write”

and then for me to say, as I did on this thread

“I reckon he’s fraudulently claiming benefits”

it would be link because completely groundless to make any presumption re being working class and illiterate and fraudulently claiming benefits.

but a PROVEN very very dishonest individual. Who steals from shops. Who makes his young children steal. Who essentially steels from the OP by not paying any CMS…. Yep, I’m happy to make the very likely true presumption that given he suddenly stopped paying CMS it was because he started being paid cash in hand and started fraudulently claiming!

Stressymam · 06/12/2022 14:36

Whether he pays maintenance either off his own back or through CMS and whether he works or not has nothing to do with this situation. Seems to me like you are sparing for some sort of argument/reaction. The points you keep making about benefits etc bares no relevance. And as previous posters have said you seem to be very fond of stereotyping. Not a good look. I wish you the best 👍

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