Kier starmer! He hates strivers!

[Bucketheadbucketbum]

He wants to introduce a policy to put up the cost of school fees 10 to 15%. This is a tax on hard-working parents! We slave away cutting cots everywhere living hand to mouth to try and improve our childrens future . Live in an average house average area 1 shit car no holidays work like a dog to get our kids through. We are easing the burden on the state system by choosing independent schools. We're not sending them to Eton paid by our trust fund! Why does he want to punish strivers! Tax the energy companies! So disappointed. We need a new political party. What's the point in trying to better your future.

This is a tax on hard-working parents

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Yes seems that a lot of people on this thread are just mean spirited keyboard warriors with nothing to actually add except begrudgery

Talkwhilstyouwalk

Having used a private school I can tell you that very few would pull their kids out. The vast majority can easily afford the extra. They might have miss out on one or two of their several times a year holidays but they can easily afford it.

As a policy it would tax those that can afford it more easily and bring in money to level up by helping to fund state schools properly.

OP you are not the norm in terms struggling to afford the fees if they went up.

He wants to change the regs around VAT / tax on fees so they will go up 10 to 15% predicted if he gets his way. So we'd have to pull kids out as not affordable

Not much of a striver then...

Bucketheadbucketbum

Im not mean spirited or begrudging. I could and have used private education. I just think that these schools having charitable status is ridiculous. They are NOT charities and it IS a luxury.

Mostly, people don't agree with you. That's what I'm seeing.

Money is only part of the problem with the state system. The other part is the sheer number of feckless parents who dont give a shit about eduction and instil the same ethos into their kids.
nobody who spends 20-45k per year is doing so in order for their kids to earn minimum wage.

no amount of money will solve the parent problem

It’s a spite tax, that will do nothing but widen the rich-poor gap.

Wealthy parents will easily be able to absorb the price hike. The kids who will suffer are those on bursaries and those whose parents sacrifice a lot to send them to an independant schools and can’t afford the price hikes. Private schools will just become even more elitist and only for the ultra wealthy.

Yes, yes you are.🙄 Funny how these "striver" parents are incapable of five minutes' rational thought. Or writing English sentences.

Exactly. It's the politics of envy.

These schools have already been made to bear an absolutely colossal increase in employer contributions to the teachers pension scheme that the government funded 100% in the maintained (state) sector. This will cause a lot of closures and mergers of mid-range independents.

There are also going to be a lot of independent schools turning themselves into specialist academies on the back of this (‘lottery-win style’ news for these existing independent school parents, as the fees will stop because their school will become a state school) but specialist music provision across the uk will decline dramatically, as whether you like it or not, discretionary spending on music in the independent sector has kept our less popular instruments on the road in the uk in the last 20 years. Added to brexit, it’s another nail in the coffin for chamber/orchestral music in the uk.

Oh FFS. Quite frankly the people on here saying they agree with his ridiculous policy clearly aren't thinking properly. The majority of you seem bitter and disgruntled at the fact some parents choose to scrimp and save their money and work their asses off foregoing holidays, dining out etc in order to afford to send their children to private school.

State schools are in a right mess at the moment. There are not enough teachers, they are under funded and over subscribed as is. Children are slipping through the cracks, they've had to drop the bar on average marks, a large portion of teachers are very unhappy and do not stick with the profession, students can’t get the attention the need and deserve.

If the charitable status was removed from independent schools an estimated 90,000 children would be forced out of private and into the public school system. Where will they all go?? If they can even be placed in a state school, they will surely take resources away from the children already there, many of whom are struggling as is. The government will have to pay millions (or billions) to find space and accommodate them, whereas now they do not. If anything, parents who send their children to private school should be receiving a tax break as they're taking the burden off of the public sector.

I've heard people say that by people sending their children to private school they’re cheating the system. Utterly ridiculous! Do you class people who pay for tutors to help their children academically as cheating the system too?

Why is it frowned upon if parents choose to invest their hard earned money on their child's education and future but no one bats an eye or judges you on anything else you choose to spend your money on, whether it's alcohol and fags or holidays.

What people are also failing to realise is that by choosing to add the VAT and removing the 90,000 children from the private school system who would no longer be able to afford it, the educational and privileged divide is simply going to get bigger. Because the people that can afford it won’t be as hard hit and will continue to send their children to private schools and thrive in their own even more privileged society, and their leadership bubbles will grow even stronger.

It is the exact opposite of what you want. Kind of like Brexit. Just look how that’s turned out.

You mean like the OP?
Yeah, funny how that works.

I'd spend it on a dictionary if I were you

So you're scrimping and saving and sacrificing normal family life just to give your children a private education?

Admirable though that might be, if a 5% increase in fees means that you'll have to pull your kids out, then you couldn't afford the fees in the first place.

I disagree. Some state schools are so bloody awful that many people will give up a lot to send their kids to a decent school these days...not talking just holidays, days out etc. I've heard of people giving up houses, life styles, food.....they don't have a penny more to spare.

Keith, Keir- it’s not new and it is spelt how it’s pronounced

So much bitterness.....

Gosh. Some posters really just here to spill bile ! Again, politics of envy and some people are just lapping it up.

I am happy for you to spend it how you wish - I just don't want the state to subsidise independent schools. You can do what you like with your own money.

We are all striving, btw

State schools are in a right mess at the moment. There are not enough teachers, they are under funded and over subscribed as is.

Due to birth rates many primaries actually have falling rolls.

Thread bare? I work in too private schools where a fair amount of kids are spoilt. I send my DC to state, DC is thriving, We live in a multi million home. No way would I waste my money, in a few years my DC will have a lovely pot to invest so they don’t get stuck into rental. I am striving. But I am not deluded by grandiosity. More state kids get into Cambridge these days. I am against KS comments as he’s a tool, but would not call the fab education my DC is having as threadbare. DC’s teachers are fantastic and DC’s not lulled into believing that DC is getting a better treatment. DC knows that all hard work does is see DC in top classes and I am sure one day getting into good Uni’s. DC not need to play lacrosse or chase ball around with a stick. DC is my champion.

LMAO at comparing this tax change with Brexit - desperate stuff!

The government didn't fund it in the state sector. They awarded it and told schools to find it from existing budgets and its one of the main reasons state schools are struggling. Please get your facts straight.

Heard this on the radio yesterday. People ringing in saying that they "don't have expensive holidays and drive an old car' to be able to afford it.

Because apparently most parents would have £18k in the bank every year if ONLY they didnt spunk it all on their summer holiday