Kier starmer! He hates strivers!

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He wants to introduce a policy to put up the cost of school fees 10 to 15%. This is a tax on hard-working parents! We slave away cutting cots everywhere living hand to mouth to try and improve our childrens future . Live in an average house average area 1 shit car no holidays work like a dog to get our kids through. We are easing the burden on the state system by choosing independent schools. We're not sending them to Eton paid by our trust fund! Why does he want to punish strivers! Tax the energy companies! So disappointed. We need a new political party. What's the point in trying to better your future.

This hypothesis has been debunked. It's just nonsense, sorry.

Tory central really worried, I see...

Private schools are businesses. Businesses pay VAT. End of.

‘People where I live buy a £2 million house to get into a catchment.’

I’m genuinely surprised that someone who can afford a £2m house doesn’t just send their kid to private school!
I would also say that this example is probably not that very common.
you’d be looking at monthly payments of around £11k a month on a £2m mortgage. Which I don’t believe many people could afford… all to get it on state school? Mmm

Why do people post this.

Are you Labour central? A Labour SpAd

Maybe… that’s why it comes up

The U.K. has 5 private universities and they’re all shit. Sure, stick VAT on them. Other universities are both a public good and publicly subsidised so it makes no sense to change their VAT status.

This is typical Labour hypocrisy, he wants to look at how many of his MPs sent their own brats to private school

Why do you assume that all the well-off support a system that privileges the wealthy.

Many well-off folks want a fairer society, recognise their good fortune, and appreciate its not like that for the vast majority.

Why should a private education, not available to all, avoid taxes?
No one has really explained this, all we get is the wealthy moaning.

University, FE's and nurseries which charge are available to anyone.
I note these wealthy parents and posters moaning aren't worried about students paying vast amounts of interest (a tax) on their loans - doubtless they don't need student finance.

As for private children will move to the state sector? has the vast increases in cost of living etc led to more or less children going to private school?

Numbers going to private schools has gone up.

Similar near our state, maybe a bit lower. It’s not from good if hearts either for equality as some put it, it’s going for the better state. Which is fine but I wouldn’t dress it up as some altruistic act as pp.

Because at least the £2 million is a tangible investment in an asset that can appreciate in value, and much of the £2 million will be mortgage.

Private school fees are now £20-40k per annum per child (and often go up by 3-5% per year, with no "direct" return on investment. Fees are also often paid fully in cash from disposable income.

If you put the school feed towards paying off your house over 25 years you have a £2 million asset, whereas school fees are a sunk cost in that respect.

Why does it matter whether MP's send their kids to private school or not? As long as they're not claiming it on expenses. This isn't about banning the schools, this is just about stopping them being CHARITIES. Which the vast majority are not. Yes, there are a few independent schools which truly are charities, and they will remain unaffected. But providing a few, minimal bursaries a year, and letting the poor kids come and use their large field doesn't make them a charity.

'Because at least the £2 million is a tangible investment in an asset that can appreciate in value, and much of the £2 million will be mortgage.'

You've missed the point entirely HOW many people can actually afford a £2m mortgage?
Our household income is in the top 1% and we couldn't.

'This is typical Labour hypocrisy, he wants to look at how many of his MPs sent their own brats to private school'

What's that got to do with anything? They'll pay more then, if that the case like the rest of the people sending their kids to private schools.

This thread reminds me of the one someone started a while back about the government needing to do something to help MC families with Uni fees... equally tone deaf.

The average tax spend per state school pupil is about £7,000 p.a. The average private school figure is about £14,000 p.a. from fees alone, omitting income from their investments. If a Labour government doubled the state school spend that would encourage many parents to send their kids to state schools rather than scrimping to use the private schools. I think Mr Attlee made a mistake in 1945 by not scrapping private schools entirely. That would have ensured all kids went to state schools and parental pressure from those transferred would have ensured standards would have risen and the government would have been under pressure to continue to raise funding. Of course, Labour in 1945 had privately educated MPs like Attlee himself.

This is what is known as a fact. Since we no longer believe in experts and experts use facts, we also don't believe in facts. Please in future refrain from using them.

Also

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Paying for Private school was cheaper and easier for us than moving. We love where we live too

'Does anyone know if VAT is applied on university fees?'

Universities ( bar a handful) aren't private.

Should we also ban home school, or should we force kids into state mandated schools?

Should we also ban tutors?

The above only works is all schools are equally as good and there isn't such a huge disparity by area. I also think some parents don't value education and it shows by how much importance they place on their child trying at school, no amount of government funding will fix that!

I can think of two. Both of whom have had to explain it many times, because it is not something Labour members really approve of. Starmer’s own kids are in state school. You’re just making stuff up.

Last time I looked the number of Labour MPs was.... 2.

I don't imagine that Labour are going to lose any votes with this policy. Given that the overwhelming majority of people sending children to private school are not Labour voters.

These school are a business. Not a charity. Parents using them who aren't happy with the prices these businesses charge have the choice of changing provider or using the free state school system.
Because of that I don't think there'll be many tears shed over the policy. Don't claim charity status when you're not a charity.

AhNowTed
(ClangingBell - Keir Starmer is a state school kid who went on to become Director of Public Prosecutions and very probably Prime Minister. He’s the very definition of a striver...)

Most sensible thing anyone's said

He's not the product of a state school though - his state grammar school converted to a fee-paying independent school mid-way through his time there.

Incidentally, Keir Starmer's private school was named as Tatler's School of the Year in 2020;

www.greatbritishlife.co.uk/lifestyle/education/22571487.tatler-schools-guide-2020-reigate-grammar-named-best-school-country/

"Even while occupying significant national positions, Keir has been a staunch supporter of Reigate Grammar School and RGS Foundation activities..."

“In his post-DPP period and in the early stages of him having entered politics (about 2015, I think), I called on the Reigatian connection, and cajoled Keir into speaking at a dinner for 200+ lawyers at the Law Society..."

www.rgs.foundation/2020/04/04/breaking-news-congratulations-sir-kier-starmer/

The people I know who use private schools are wealthy, have family money and professional jobs and/or grandparents or a Trust are paying the fees. I'm in a profession where MANY of my colleagues have come from and use private schools.

One is a single parent, who got a scholarship for 50% off for their brilliant child, but their salary is £130k. So well off even as a single a parent.

I know one who's kid has SEN and that's why they've gone private. Otherwise it would have been state school. But that friend is in the music industry, and quite literally is a millionaire, albeit it self-made.

None of the many people I know sending their kids to independent schools are WC or nurses or window cleaners or whatever 'strivers'.
I now plenty of people striving though. Working hard to pay the bills, give their kids a good start in life, maybe even save towards uni fees and they still wouldn't be able to afford school fees for 1/2/3 kids.
Some of them can't even afford more than one kid.

The people using these schools will find a way to keep paying, they'll just moan about it.

'He's not the product of a state school though - his state grammar school converted to a fee-paying independent school mid-way through his time there.
Incidentally, Keir Starmer's private school was named as Tatler's School of the Year in 2020;'

I'm not sure he can be held accountable for that. The kids who were already attending when the school changed DID MOT have to pay the fees. Because most of them would have had to leave.
And he attended long before it became 'school of the year'.

What’s the punishment?