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Kier starmer! He hates strivers!

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Bucketheadbucketbum · 30/11/2022 21:37

He wants to introduce a policy to put up the cost of school fees 10 to 15%. This is a tax on hard-working parents! We slave away cutting cots everywhere living hand to mouth to try and improve our childrens future . Live in an average house average area 1 shit car no holidays work like a dog to get our kids through. We are easing the burden on the state system by choosing independent schools. We're not sending them to Eton paid by our trust fund! Why does he want to punish strivers! Tax the energy companies! So disappointed. We need a new political party. What's the point in trying to better your future.

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Lightowl · 01/12/2022 07:22

loveisagirlnameddaisy · 01/12/2022 07:21

I believe universities also have charitable status. Shouldn't they be included in this Labour policy?

Great question.

Notonthestairs · 01/12/2022 07:23

"I'd be happy to see independent schools lose their charitable status in the long run, but think it comes AFTER closing tax avoidance loopholes, AFTER taxing energy companies on huge profits, AFTER charging more tax on the very rich"

No reason why they can't all be done together.

NadjaCravensworth · 01/12/2022 07:28

AllyCatTown · 30/11/2022 21:40

So people who do send their children to private schools aren’t “strivers” or want to better themselves?

And everyone who sends their child to a private school is scrimping in an average house average area 1 shit car no holidays work like a dog to get our kids through.

We are easing the burden on the state system by choosing independent schools. This always makes me Hmm you are doing this for your dc, not other peoples.

We're not sending them to Eton paid by our trust fund!

Hobbi · 01/12/2022 07:28

@MarshaBradyo make up your mind. One minute parents of privately educated children can't make ends meet and desperately need subsidies for their luxury services, the next they're the ultra-wealthy tax payers. Which is it?

LolaSmiles · 01/12/2022 07:29

No reason why they can't all be done together
I agree in theory, but the reality of our political system means that neither party at the moment seem to want to do any of the big, difficult things.

It's much easier to blame immigrants/blame boomers/blame middle income families who privately educate and have everyone fighting for crumbs between themselves whilst the wealthiest at the top enrich themselves.

Dorisbonson · 01/12/2022 07:29

Agreed. The country seems to be falling apart and when you go and work overseas you can really see how bad things are in the UK.

I've got a much higher standard of living now and better weather.

Also the irony of this thread is that if they put Vat on school fees as an ex pat I wouldn't have to pay VAT because I can reclaim it as I live overseas! Only those in the UK would pay it. Bit bonkers really!

Againstmachine · 01/12/2022 07:31

You say you don't have any holidays , work like a dog etc, does that mean you actually spend any time with your kids, as I'm sure they would rather have a upbringing where they spend time with their parents.

These schools haven't been charity's for a long time and are businesses so why should they be treated as such, they have had t good for a long time, now they should have to pay taxes like rest of businesses it isn't spite it's about being fair.

Isitsixoclockalready · 01/12/2022 07:32

Bucketheadbucketbum · 30/11/2022 22:29

Exactly. I'd bloody love a state grammar option

labour want a race to the bottom. They are anti aspiration

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I don't think that Labour are anti aspiration - I just think that they are saying that private schools shouldn't get tax breaks. If people want to send their children to private schools that's fair enough but state schools need funding too - it's not about being anti aspiration or spiteful - it's about fairness. Does it mean that parents who can't - or choose not to send their children to private school are not aspirational?

Dorisbonson · 01/12/2022 07:32

Sorry I meant agreed with @amboseli and @MarshaBradyo

AhNowTed · 01/12/2022 07:32

@Lightowl

I'm in a similar position to @NashvilleQueen and I don't pay for either on principle.

I tell a lie, I had to go private to get an emergency dentist appointment as I couldn't get one at my usual NHS dentist.

Another service starved because Tories don't use it.

NadjaCravensworth · 01/12/2022 07:32

Bucketheadbucketbum · 30/11/2022 22:04

Gosh so many haters. Its not a race to the bottom. Everyone makes their choices. We chose to spend our dispisible income on schooling and sacrified a lot to make that happen. what would you rather we spent it on?

I'd rather private companies paid their fair share of tax, but you do you

Lightowl · 01/12/2022 07:33

Also the irony of this thread is that if they put Vat on school fees as an ex pat I wouldn't have to pay VAT because I can reclaim it as I live overseas! Only those in the UK would pay it. Bit bonkers really!

great point!!! Especially as the more “prestigious” a school, particularly boarding, becomes, the higher proportion come from overseas. See: Eton.

malificent7 · 01/12/2022 07:33

Starmer is right. Are you confusing striving with being a snob?

I went to private school....did not work for me...( subject for another thread).

Notonthestairs · 01/12/2022 07:33

@LolaSmiles I agree with part of your post but I don't agree reviewing charitable status for private school constitutes "blaming parents".
It is simply correcting an ancient anomaly in our tax system.
All those anomalies should be reviewed & replaced.

Lightowl · 01/12/2022 07:34

@NadjaCravensworth

-I'd rather private companies paid their fair share of tax, but you do you

Don’t you think that it would be better to start with the ones who would generate BILLIONS then?? This is just a cheap ploy to try to win back the Labour voters who supported Boris over brexit.

Teeturtle · 01/12/2022 07:35

Lightowl · 01/12/2022 06:19

@camelfinger
They are businesses, not charities. If they are charities they should become charities, and perhaps reduce their fees to help more families in need

I don’t understand tax law specifics, please could you help me to understand exactly why they are businesses not charities? Most are run as trusts, there are no profits and no shareholders among which to distribute them.

Lots of incorporations don’t make profits, it doesn’t make them charities. I would say a private school is not (in reality) a charity because it doesn’t have charitable aims.

MarshaBradyo · 01/12/2022 07:35

Hobbi · 01/12/2022 07:28

@MarshaBradyo make up your mind. One minute parents of privately educated children can't make ends meet and desperately need subsidies for their luxury services, the next they're the ultra-wealthy tax payers. Which is it?

Politics of envy works for votes but drives people away who pay tax burden. Blair knew it which is why he did well and avoided the same. Starmer lacks vision so goes for easy petty but pointless tricks. You love it but overall it won’t benefit anyone much, likely make things worse.

Forfrigz · 01/12/2022 07:35

No holidays? Do you think your kids are going to be better off because they went to a school run by pretentious ponces and never went away anywhere interesting with their family? Honestly the logic of some people. The sad part is society is changing and being privately educated doesn't have the prestige it once did. I think that trend will continue too.

Lightowl · 01/12/2022 07:36

AhNowTed · 01/12/2022 07:32

@Lightowl

I'm in a similar position to @NashvilleQueen and I don't pay for either on principle.

I tell a lie, I had to go private to get an emergency dentist appointment as I couldn't get one at my usual NHS dentist.

Another service starved because Tories don't use it.

So you’d wait 2 years on a waiting list for an important procedure that was affecting your quality of life rather than pay privately out of principe? Right.

anyway - that’s for another thread

Beezknees · 01/12/2022 07:37

I don't have any sympathy with this when people are choosing between heating and eating.

Lightowl · 01/12/2022 07:37

Politics of envy works for votes but drives people away who pay tax burden. Blair knew it which is why he did well and avoided the same. Starmer lacks vision so goes for easy petty but pointless tricks. You love it but overall it won’t benefit anyone much, likely make things worse

agree.

Ginmonkeyagain · 01/12/2022 07:39

Indeed, it is an old fashioned legacy of how schooling developed. In centuries gone by the very wealthy would hire private tutors for their children. Many very exclusive private schools are charities as they were founded to provide education for poor children, eg Dulwich College near me was founded to provide education for poor boys of the parish.

That is no longer the case. There is no need for them to continue to have charitable status.

Lightowl · 01/12/2022 07:40

THIS POLICY WOULD RAISE NO MORE THAN £20 PER SCHOOL CHILD PER YEAR.

Now tell me it’s not just for votes.

Mulberry974 · 01/12/2022 07:42

nonevernotever · 30/11/2022 21:41

Because he thinks that private schools are businesses not charities @CloudBusted which would mean that they would be taxed accordingly.

This and quite right too.

Ginmonkeyagain · 01/12/2022 07:42

It's more that why should businesses that sell a luxury service to the well off have charitable status? What makes them special.

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