Things in RECENT times you can’t quite believe we’re seen as ‘ok’

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The Jeremy Kyle Show. Middle class man shouts at poor people who aren’t terribly bright, for not being perfect humans. So pleased it ended.

On X Factor and BGT when they used to show ‘funny’ auditions of people who believed they had talent but really didn’t so got laughed at. They then brought them back for the final to do a humiliating routine live so they could be laughed at more.

Supernanny. Childless woman who can barely speak properly pulls lemon faces, tells parents they’re shit and Instills sudden and sharp changes in the child’s home where actual camera are focussing on them when they’re distraught and upset

Sun sea and suspicious parents. Mum and dad spying on their adult children from a rooftop in Greece whilst said child gets off with a stranger. CREEPY!

You do realise that people have a choice as to whether they go on The Jeremy Kyle Show or The X Factor, don't you? It's called consent.

Why? Honestly interested.

As a mum of a disabled child I have always found it really uplifting and it has given me hope for my son having some normality when he is older. Obviously the name of the show is awful but I think the content is good.

Argh my quote thing failed. Please ignore my post. It is crap and irrelevant

@Geneticsbunny there are many articles online about the show. There have been a number of complaints accusing the show of being exploitative in using disabled people for entertainment.

It wasn't as simple as that ,are you forgetting the scenes that were coming out of Italy a couple of weeks before ,covid hit the UK ?
Or the 1000+ deaths a day just from covid at the peak?
we locked down so the NH S wouldn't get overwhelmed?
The clinically vulnerable were not all 80+waiting to die many yound/ middle aged people with certain conditions were classed as clinically vulnerable
some of the
restrictions and guidelines were ludicrous and the second " lockdown"was a farce with everyman and his dog claiming to be a keyworker
but what else could they have done initially?

They really won't. They will probably learn about the care homes scandal, the appallingly high death daily death toll in spring 2020, the heroism of our key workers and the development of the vaccine. They may well learn about the impact of lockdowns globally as well as the longer-term effects of long Covid.

It will be all the more apparent, looking back, that the pressure on hospitals and indeed death toll could have been reduced with earlier interventions and society will consider what considerations prevented the government acting sooner to close air travel etc.

It's not a straightforward case of consent.

If you watch the documentary about the making of the Jeremy Kyle show you will hear employees of the show recount the outrageous way the guests are manipulated to "wind them up" before appearing on the live show. Examples include: giving them access to a free bar, waking them up through the night so that they have a broken sleep, telling them other guests have said, "X, Y, Z" about them to provoke their anger etc. It literally ruined some peoples lives all in the name of "entertainment".

In terms of X-Factor etc there is a distinction to be made between contestants who are genuinely entertaining and fully comprehend what they are doing and others who were clearly told by the producers that they were fabulous and that the judges would love them and were then horrified when they were laughed at. I work in education and many of these so called "funny" acts clearly had additional support needs. Interestingly you don't see these kind of acts anyone - I did some research and it seems there have been some NDAs surrounding certain acts.

You do know people can be manipulated after they sign the papers? That the production team hold more knowledge and power than the contestants beloved guests?

Yes, a thousand times! And bonfires

Mocking speech impediments - Dec 2022

That child abuse images weren’t an offence until 1978.

Who did this?

I hate bonfires and fireworks with a passion. Especially Bonfire Night - not least because of the messages of compliance to the Crown but also because Guy Fawkes has his name forever etched in history as associated with the Gunpowder Plot. When in fact it was Robert Catesby who was the mastermind, Fawkes was just the pillock who got caught pissing around in the cellars

Following my earlier comments on the perils of the internet, I’d also add data protection. It’s only in very recent memory GDPR came into being in its current form. The way peoples data was/is being used continues to be a big issue in my view.

Waiting 40 hours for an ambulance - oh wait that’s now!

And as much as we talk about the very real issue of food poverty, there is also a food quality issue, a food waste issue and an obesity epidemic (some of those issues obviously related) on a scale not seen before.

Absolutely!

I remember going into a seaside town restaurant and being asked to fill in my personal details on a clipboard that was sat by the main entrance door. It was an A4 sheet that customers had written their names, telephone numbers and addresses on!

It would have been incredibly easy for me (or indeed anyone) to take a photograph of the sheet or simply remove it (as well as the completed ones underneath!).

I can't imagine that anyone is shocked at something everyone knows happens, we are disagreeing with the suggestion that it is/was commonplace

So many superior people on MN can make "better" judgements about what is right and appropriate, compared to poor people, who are judged to lack capacity. 🙄

It reminds me a bit of the deserving / undeserving poor concept of Victorian social improvers.

I 2006 I worked somewhere where the caretakers had topless pictures in their office/room.

I was then told off for commenting on it.

I think maternity discrimination at work still existing is disgusting. I was told in 2007 that I shouldn't go back to work until DC was school aged.

In 2015 I was told I shouldn't go for a job with long unsocial hours because 'DCs want their Mums (not parents) at home.

Hopefully future generations will be horrified by these behaviours.

Smoking on planes

"Poverty porn" shows like Benefits Street to vilify the poor

That’s just daytime tv. It gets commissioned because people want to watch and judge other people, it’s cheap to make, and we all like to have someone to look down on to make ourselves feel better. We’re all here, are we?

When I had my first baby in the seventies the hospital had turned the day room into the smoking room. I didn't smoke but would be left alone in the ward if I didn't sit with the smokers. One of the mums had quite a low cut nightie on. The sister strode over to her with a nappy pin and pinned the nightie closed. Imagine that happening today.

Smoking, like everywhere.

Lead in petrol m

Laughing at the terrible people on the x factor even though a lot of them were clearly very vulnerable.