To think China is still locking down

[mumofgirl1]

Sorry if this has already be posted about I was just watching the local news and they where covering recent lockdowns in China I'm shocked they are still implementing lockdowns and wondered how there economy is coping nearly 3yrs down the line of lockdowns and what has happened to the vaccines over there have they not worked. It seems so strange when the rest of the world are coming out the other side of this and they are still putting local lockdowns in place surely they can't do this forever

That is horrendous, @DroppedLeaves . How long did they keep you locked in for? I just can't get my head around a society which thinks that potentially hundreds of people dying in a fire is better than a few of them getting covid.

However, I’d also say that covid measures aside, I’ve been here for several years and Shanghai is a great place to live and work. The lifestyle is excellent. Everyone is hoping that the government further relax their covid policies soon.

We were locked down for 48 hours about 20th March, and could finally leave our compound in June. For a large tranche of that we were actually confined to our apartment, as my son picked up covid going down for our daily PCR. We were very lucky that he wasn’t taken away to a covid camp. We had been told he would be, but luckily they were overwhelmed with cases at the time and so they never came to pick him up.

They have actually relaxed measures in recent weeks. Before they were taking covid cases, close contact AND second tier contact cases to centralised quarantine facilities. Now only covid cases and close contacts are removed. We have several teachers and pupils in centralised quarantine at the moment as they are close contacts.

Sorry - second tier would be locked down at home. Now they aren’t.

No it was that people were locked into a tower block that caught fire and officially 10 people died because "preventing loss of life from covid" is more important than preventing actual loss of life.

It's because they don't hold the patents and don't want to pay for them.
CCP's usual technique when they can't do something is to say the thing itself isn't worth doing and that their version is better.
It's propaganda. Scientists write what they need to write to keep their jobs. Peer reviewers concur with whatever they need to agree with to keep their positions. Don't be fooled into thinking they know something we don't.

Let’s face it it isn’t because they don’t trust mRNA vaccine because they could (in that case) go with AZ. It might not be the best vaccine, but it’s protected a great many of us.

Making people believe, or pretend to believe, in zero covid at this point is basically like making believe Kim Jong Il scored 11 holes in one. It might wash in North Korea but I don't see how it is possible to do that in China long term. Perhaps it is about political control but it's a dangerous game. If you keep saying "jump" just for the power and pleasure of millions chanting back "how high?" people are going to crack eventually and you'll end up like Ozymandias in the poem.

The party can't lose face but surely it is, comparatively , child's play to morph to a "Four legs good, two legs better!" position with "New Improved Sinovax mRNA! 100% Chinese, party approved and even better for a good citizen than TCM!"

"I'm pleased if this makes China weak, it will mean they can support Russia less in their attempts to rebuild USSR."
Um, I get what you're saying, but money will always be found to splash on international conflict if it suits the powers that be (anywhere) and meanwhile the ordinary citizens suffer.
Also, a weak, unstable country with a massive population, (still) a sex imbalance and a lot of military hardware seems like a case of "be careful what you wish for".

"It's because they don't hold the patents and don't want to pay for them."

Why can't they produce their own knockoff version? They're not that shit at corporate espionage surely?

Agreed.
We all know that the only acceptable mumsnetisms are Penis Beaker and the Mexican House thief!

That's scary. How old is your son?

DS at university so many Chinese students. Will they go home for Xmas break if it's lock down somewhere when they arrive. They have to be back early January for exams

And so many people thought that if we'd locked down faster and harder like China, we'd be Covid-zero too

It is interesting how very quiet those vocal posters have gone. The covid board was littered with people desperate for a "china-style lockdown".

are they actually from China or of Chinese ethnicity?

When I was in university, the majority of the students weren't actually from China, but were from Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan.

What a load of bollox!

I remember the Covid boards and you can always take a look yourself?

It was never "littered" with calls for a Chinese style LD, no one did, maybe the odd troll.

TBH it was quite balanced but with CH deaths, around 1500 per day dying and the NHS doing nothing but emergency care, very few wanted no restrictions.

& No i didn't want harsher LD's, some of the rules were stupid, but the fact remains is that LD's bought time for AZ and Pfizer to develop vaccines.

I guess some want to be seen as sage and wise - after the event!

It was. It was also littered with posts about how fabulously well China was doing, as opposed to us.

No they're from China. Some of them went to public schools here. My niece is half Chinese. Dodged covid by twelve months studying at Cambridge, masters in Edinburgh so was well out of the chaos. During our lockdowns the universities here did make provision for the Chinese students unable to fly. I suppose they'll have to be geared up again

A lot of chatter about this at work recently. I have Microbio/epidemiology degrees. There’s no scientific basis for a Zero Covid Policy whatsoever and it’s horrifying.

Nah, there was a poster who said he/she lived in China but from UK and kept saying how well they were doing, v few agreed with him/her, i mean who thought welding people into apartments was a great idea?

We had no vaccines, so people were searching for solutions, what many did favour was a NZ style LD, often poo hoo 'd but for them, it has worked.

Most people went along with the first LD, the roads were empty and people were worried, then we all went mad!!!! and the subsequent LDs were all pretty much ignored, i certainly never took them particularly seriously among my own friendship group, just being ultra careful around the elderly etc.

I think the way Dr Li was treated when he tried to warn others of the new suspected Sars virus when he'd actually found coronavirus, says it all. RIP.

That must be it because the people my husband communicates with in China have very different things to say. (He deals with Chinese companies when he needs to get equipment from china to Kenya for people so he's made some good contacts/friends over the years)

They are all very frustrated and have massive restrictions on daily life that is making things really hard for them. Going anywhere except work is out of the question for them.

Agree with a lot of this. We have let our country slide into a mess with populist politics. All I can see is parallels. Yes we are not China or Russia, but we have some if the early signs of things going very badly and being forced into handing over our rights as we don't have a better choice.

China's housing market was a massive ponzi scheme and us in big trouble. I expect a lot if this us to do with that. Some people signed up to mortgages a nd didn't even get the property so are refusing to pay.

Apologies for multiple SPAG erros in my last post, it was done rather quickly while I was at work.

I was trying to say that Zero Covid is a focus point among the wider issue of anti CCP, the banner man did ignite a lot of movement online and even though as usual the CCP censored any mention of it online, it has only grown since then.

I agree @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat We are at the gaslighting stage,