To think China is still locking down

[mumofgirl1]

Sorry if this has already be posted about I was just watching the local news and they where covering recent lockdowns in China I'm shocked they are still implementing lockdowns and wondered how there economy is coping nearly 3yrs down the line of lockdowns and what has happened to the vaccines over there have they not worked. It seems so strange when the rest of the world are coming out the other side of this and they are still putting local lockdowns in place surely they can't do this forever

Don't be silly, no one wants that nor did they ever, it was a tiny tiny minority and even then, it was masks or a 2m rule, not welding up doors.

We have effective mRNA vaccines, their SinoVax is like AZ, useless against the newer variants & not that effective against Delta.

The problem China has it doesn't want to be seen to be relying on & ordering Western medicines, so has gone for LDs & the population have had enough.

Long Covid is a real problem, vaxx ed or not.

Only after the protests really ramped up. Before that, the crowds were shown, so the population has seen it.

Agree with incompletesenten I would have thought that there was an economic incentive to allow the deaths of older people and those who cannot work due to health conditions.

Of course. But for the CCP, "stability" and survival of the regime take precedence over everything else, including the economy. China knows that collapse in the hospital system will cause panic, and panic/turmoil is what they try to avoid at all costs. The CCP is constantly doing things that actually have really bad economic consequences (like the hukou system) because they believe that these are nevertheless stabilizing influences on society.

Yes well the stability of China is good for all of us.

We may not like what they do but China is (potentially) a very unstable country & just how would we manage without our Iphones & laptops?

We might well all be ringing our hands in righteous indignation but it wont stop us buying Chinese manufactured and funded goods, hypocrisy in action :(

I also think that some of the reports are incorrect and over exaggerated regarding China, the people are generally happy with the way the country is run, it is much safer than most countries around the world and little poverty.

Why are people protesting considering the ramifications for protesting in China if they are happy with it.

Safer for who?
sThoe in the unoffocial black jails?
Uyghurs?
North Korean escapees who either get sent back to NK or sex trafficked?
Human rights lawyers who have been tortured for standing up for basic rights?
Book sellers?
Protesters?

How are you defining poverty? The pretend ccp way where they claimed total victory over poverty and have a different figure from the world bank on how to define poverty? 13% of their population still fall below the world bank definition of poverty.

If the outbreak gets out of control, they will lock down a bigger area (I.e the whole complex will be asked to stay in for 3 days - or the whole district when numbers start to spiral. They test daily and if no more positive cases they are freed asap).

'Asked'.

What would happen if people declined this request?

That sounds awful.
I know someone who travelled to China recently. They had to stay in hotel quarantine for eight days and weren’t even allowed to go out on the balcony. It’s like it’s still the beginning of 2020.

Indeed - the irony being that for ages, we saw endless posts in favour of their overall approach

I always had the impression it was more that pro restriction people liked the idea that a society could've had very strict restrictions initially that then meant the population could live more normally. Tended to hear more about the principle rather than people actually coming out and saying they approved of the squeamish parts, iyswim. More likely to gloss over it instead.

the one building where the outbreak is will be ‘locked down’ for 3 days while the people are tested each day. Once they are given the all clear they are free to go.

So is it three days or until everyone gets the all clear? Because that could take considerably longer than three days. I can well imagine how the constant possibility of a spontaneous „3 day“ (in reality possibly longer) lockdown after nearly three years of Covid could affect people‘s mental health.

Legally, they must receive full pay for the time that they are locked down. (I got fully paid during the lockdown I experienced and so did my colleagues.)

Who is paying the full salaries for buildings/ building complexes full of people, never mind whole districts, again and again, for nearly three years? How long can an economy support that for?

Indeed, it’s easy to not think through the consequences. Even the party in China didn’t really think it through

My family is from Hong Kong so I might be biased. I think it's about President's Xi desire to control the population. Coronavirus gave him the perfect opportunity to grab more power to tightly control and surveillence the population, without resistance. The people embraced it in 2020 because they believed it's for the good for the community.

I'm hoping this isn't going to end like Tiananmen Square in 1989. Xi still has control of the military.

I have relatives and friends in Shanghia and I recommend anyone in the west to look into what the Great Translation Movement have been highlighting over the past few years as they rely heavily on the language barrier in the west, and it punctures holes in the simplified narratives of lockdowns only lasting 3 days on full pay etc.

It is a combination of anti lockdown and anti CCP, what really started it was banner man

twitter.com/tgtm_official/status/1580475248176029696

He has obviously been 'dissapeared' but it hit a spot and was talked about a lot on WeChat, the CCP crushed any mention of it as they regularly do, so people was airdropping the message from the banner to others phones, the CCP put presure on apple to make a change to there phones to effectively disable airdropping to try and quash it

People neeed to realise that what does come out of china is from 1st tier cities (and the 3 day lock down is very generous boarding on 50 cent army rehotic), the 3rd tier cities and villages are a lot worse, people are scared of being put in the quarantine camps. All protesters had there QR code turned to red, they now can be 'legally' transferred to one of these camps and refused entry into certain districts/shops etc.

A good place to start for any westerner is The Great Translation Movement

twitter.com/TGTM_Official

What do you think the protests against the government are about then?

And I don't believe you.

Australia did that. Bloody horrendous.

Tended to hear more about the principle rather than people actually coming out and saying they approved of the squeamish parts, iyswim

I can see exactly what you mean, SirMingeALot, and this is why so many of us write about the bigger picture - because while the principle can look pretty good in itself, the actual implementation raises issues which some (as you correctly say) prefer to gloss over

The writing style of shasha to me just seems very obviously propagandistic, i assume the author is a social media employee of the Chinese state etc.

Also their attempts to show how well versed they were in mnetisms were crap .

Neither do I

I imagine it's far far worse than we're being shown

which is why western reporters are being attacked and arrested

The number of explanation marks can be a giveaway

Tbh I'm loathe to point out the propaganda flags, as it just helps them smooth their style for next time.

Truffoiled good point. Although i think they'll culturally always struggle with western irreverence for state/leadership!

In Shanghai right now - last summer (2021), you could get vaccines easily (Chinese nationals) but the older generation weren't getting them. The government was bribing people with free rice/oil etc to get a vaccine. However, nowadays it's pretty impossible with all the testing we have to do - if you get a vaccine, then you can't get tested for at least 24-48 hours or else you'll test positive. Not really worth being taken to quarantine just for getting a vaccine.

I live in Shanghai and we had the most awful lock down earlier this year. We too were locked in to our 62 floor apartment block and had the fire escape welded and front door chained. My workplace had to provide food parcels! It was horrific. I am watching the figures slowly tick up and hoping that we don’t have lockdown #2 ahead of us.

We are also still having frequent pcr tests. We were having them 5 times a week at school and once at weekends (we needed a 24 hour test to enter school - also a teacher), but now it’s more relaxed - we test Monday, Wednesday and Friday at school, and then once on Sundays. Most places require 48 hour pcr tests at the moment.