To think China is still locking down

[mumofgirl1]

Sorry if this has already be posted about I was just watching the local news and they where covering recent lockdowns in China I'm shocked they are still implementing lockdowns and wondered how there economy is coping nearly 3yrs down the line of lockdowns and what has happened to the vaccines over there have they not worked. It seems so strange when the rest of the world are coming out the other side of this and they are still putting local lockdowns in place surely they can't do this forever

It's now a lose-lose situation for the party. There's no good way out.

The TV footage has been censored and doctored, so the Chinese can not see the unmasked crowds in China of the world cup.

In all honesty i expected them to let it infect the elderly and vulnerable to help alleviate their aging population and low birth rate problem.

This is facinating. I'm sure there was a programme on tv about it last night, I only caught a snip it as I was walking through. I'm sure it was saying their economy was tanking for the 3rd year on the trot. I think I'll try find it now and watch it properly.

I'm pleased if this makes China weak, it will mean they can support Russia less in their attempts to rebuild USSR.

Obviously this is awful for the people, but as every other country has been financially crippled by covid I'm glad China is too. A weak West and strong East would have been politically very dangerous.

I expect that with 10% of people who get Covid not recovering and developing long Covid, in a country the size of China, that would have a greater impact on their workforce and economy. Perhaps they don't have the resources to support them or withstand the impact this would have on the country, if they were to let Covid spread unfettered like we have in the UK.

This is what a large minority of people wanted here. A "proper" lockdown. With police/soldiers on the streets beating up people who leave their houses.

10% of people who get Covid not recovering and developing long Covid,

I'm not even going to ask whether you have a citation for that because you won't have. Viruses have always "spread unfettered" and always will. Thinking that we have the power to stop Covid when we have never been able to stop any other viruses is madness.

We are in a much better position with China in that we have a high percentage of people vaccinated, with a vaccine which actually works.

I agree about it being 2 fold. Controlling the virus and the population.

The fact they now check phones on people in the street to see what SM they have access too is such a far cry from the realists we are used to I can't imagine it.

You could be going to work and be arrested for having instagram on your phone.

I don't know if this is real but it's scary AF

Agree with incompletesenten I would have thought that there was an economic incentive to allow the deaths of older people and those who cannot work due to health conditions.

I genuinely feel the Chinese people have this one moment now to try and fight for some freedoms and to fight for some justice. Technical advancements are so rapid soon the CP will be able to control the nation without the need for any police presence whatsoever. We are not there quite yet but it is imminent and then the control of the nation will be total.

I don't think we are in a position to tell another country how to handle covid - it is for each individual country to decide upon their own approach. I also think that some of the reports are incorrect and over exaggerated regarding China, the people are generally happy with the way the country is run, it is much safer than most countries around the world and little poverty.

No freedom, no rights, imprisoned for their beliefs, executed.

Brilliant

@twelly
Taken from a report....
You think this is ok in 2022 when the rest of the world has moved on?

"The year began with the tourist hub of Xi'an, home to 13 million, being shut down for a month. Then in March, a lockdown was announced in Shanghai. It was meant to last less than a week, but its 25 million residents stayed home for two months. In September, residents in locked down Chengdu found themselves trapped in their apartments during an earthquake. Elsewhere, rescue workers were required to do a Covid test before they could save anyone."

I thought it was The World Cup that set the protests off. Seeing people living normally in crowds again. No face masks or social distancing.

Sealing people inside buildings is the right way to handle covid, in your opinion?

There are criticisms of many countries not least the UK on how they handled covid.
However locking people into flats so they can not escape in the event of fire or earthquake is surely a huge failing and a violation of human rights.

Wow! Rude much!?

Even though you didn't ask because apparently there was no point, here the ONS figures on long Covid. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/3november2022

And an article from the Guardian discussing those statistics. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/12/long-covid-coronavirus-data-symptoms-causes-studies

By all means let viruses spread unfettered, but you do need to factor in the socioeconomic costs to that. No more controversial than sending old people home to die in care homes.

@Roussette
You think this is ok in 2022 when the rest of the world has moved on?

I'm not sure sealing people into buildings so that they would be trapped in emergency scenarios was ever ok? Even in 2020 there were levels of lockdown all over the world but this was still seen as horrendous

I thought Long Covid was one of the reasons behind the labour shortages? I saw a graph the other day. Mental health was a big reason but ‘other’ was the biggest.

It was concluded this was long Covid.

nypost.com/2022/11/28/chinese-swamp-twitter-with-porn-to-block-protest-news/

Apparently porn is being used to deflect

Exactly!

If it’s all so wonderful there why are the citizens protesting?
Or is that you can’t bring yourself to criticise a communist government?

My DB has lived in China for 30 years his latest missive shows how frustrating it can be

@shasha21 I'm really interested in why they believe the mRNA vaccine to be dangerous.

Is it the immediate cardiac/clot risk or longer term implications?

It’s an authoritarian country where the communist party has complete control so I am not surprised. I am saddened by the protestors experience of brutal violence and I am heartened by their bravery but absolutely nothing is going to change. Just like with Russia we need to move away from China.