Motability car use…

[TheSecondMrsMoorcroft]

Posting here for traffic.

I have a 22yr old son who’s in receipt of PIP. We have a Motability car FOR HIS USE.

I have applied for a nursing post (community based) and need use of a vehicle. It’s part time and so, work use will be strictly limited to around 10-12hrs a week only. However, I’m thinking I can’t use this car for this purpose. It will not affect my using the car for my son. It is his vehicle (he doesn’t drive and has difficulty crossing the road, even) and my hours must work around him.

Does anyone know? AIBU to even consider using “his” car for my work use?

"Do I have to be in the car when it is being used?
The car must be used by, or for the benefit of, the disabled person.

This does not mean that the disabled person needs to be in the car for every journey.

In practice, this means that other named drivers in the same household can use the car for shopping, visiting family and other routine activities, so long as the disabled customer will benefit.

Don't forget that only drivers listed under the permitted drivers section of your Certificate of Motor Insurance are covered to drive your Motability car."

www.motability.co.uk/contact/faqs/do-i-have-to-be-in-the-car-when-it-is-being-used

Oh stop acting like the bloody benefit police. You clearly have no fucking idea and are merely bitter because someone has use of a motability car. How sad for you.

They have every need for their parent, who will be financially supporting them, to be able to work though.

Community based nursing involves driving between sites. Which commuting cover usually doesn’t include.

Why though?
I presume the disabled adult in this case needs a roof over their head ,so his mother going out to work he!ps provide that which benefits him ,if she was using the car leaving him stuck at home not being able to access activities I could see your point ,but that doesn't seem to be the case .

I don't think this is true and if it is it's ridiculous and it's not benefiting the family.

In practice this could mean driving a child to school in their motabilty car then driving home to swap to a separate car which has to be paid for and maintained out of the family budget, driving to work. Then driving home from work, swap cars to motability car to do school pick up. Would be absurd.

I have a motability car and initially thought that DH could never take it to work. I can’t drive it as I have a medical condition which prevents driving so he would hardly be depriving me anyway and he’s the only registered driver on there. I digress, he has to go the the office once every 6 weeks and motability said it was absolutely fine as him working benefits me. It helps to pay the mortgage and bills as my salary alone wouldn’t cover it. Ring motability if unsure, they’re really helpful.

I can't imagine anyone monitors these things, there is certainly no monitoring of who uses (and abuses) blue badges which are much more widespread, so can't think anyone is looking at motability cars. You need to get to work to support him, so I would say use it.

Oh stop acting like the bloody benefit police. You clearly have no fucking idea and are merely bitter because someone has use of a motability car. How sad for you
No, just like the majority, I don't think it's right but benefiting directly from the adult disability.

The whole 'if I earn more, they benefit' is just about cutting for a child, but not an adult. They are entitled to benefits of their own accord, just like other adults, not for the benefit of their family.

Would parents feel the same if they just took the money each month to pay for their own transport to work, only giving them £10 of it there and then for their use of a taxi? Why does a car somehow mae it all different?

And give up the whole 'you are bitter', there is nothing to be bitter about. I have massive admiration for parents of disabled children an know how immensely hard it it to look after disabled children. I fully support taxes going for extra support and respite care. I still believe that using a vulnerable adult assets for one own needs to be wrong.

You know this isn’t true my partners dad has a motorbility car that his mum uses as she is bed bound. But he needs to go shopping for her pick up prescriptions. Work as this financially benefit's his dad

It doesn't matter what you or the majority think Is right as you don't make other he rules up

@vivainsomnia

Oh stop acting like the bloody benefit police. You clearly have no fucking idea and are merely bitter because someone has use of a motability car. How sad for you

No, just like the majority, I don't think it's right but benefiting directly from the adult disability.

You are not the majority. Fat from it. You are also being stupid if you think a parent who is supporting their ADULT child through life because they have a disability is benefiting from that. The cost of financially supporting another adult far outweighs any benefits that may be received, including the bloody car.

You obviously know absolutely fuck all about life with a disabled adult, and how having a motability car as a family car is fine. I'd much rather have the money, but we need a car. I'd much rather not need the car or the PIP my son gets and that he could be independent and have a job etc, instead of being a 20 year old that can't be left alone or go out alone and doesn't understand why he can't do the things his younger brothers are doing.

There’s no difference. Those severely disabled children who need full time care, and therefore are in receipt of DLA with high level mobility component do grow up to be adults who need exactly the same level of care. They don’t suddenly not need it just because their age puts them legally as an adult, and in many cases will never be little more than a baby or toddler in their capacity to care for themselves or make safe choices.

"Indeed, it would be pointless, so would make more sense for the disabled adult to get the cash rather than the car and pay for their transport, be it mum, dad, a carer or a taxi. This seems better use of their entitlement."

Some adults don't understand the concept of cash. The money would go to their parents anyway. I am surprised you don't understand that many disabled adults require specialist transport and cannot travel in a taxi. They require their own car.

vivainsomnia you know fuck all about adults with a severe learning disability.

That’s exactly what I said lol.

you wouldn’t be just commuting but using it in the course of your work, so the RSA would also need to know for insurance purposes.

When I was in the community I had to get business cover. (Not with Motability at that time though).

Well this descended into a row rather quickly.

Anyway, back to the question - www.motability.co.uk/contact/faqs/can-someone-else-drive-for-me

It's the argument of whether or not your commuting to work counts as journeys for the benefit of the disabled person. You've got to ring them anyway to check about business usage as you would be doing more than commuting to and from your place or work.

Haven't read every post so apologies if it's been posted before, I would note that there is only a 60,000 miles allowance over the 3 years with a charge of 5p per mile over that. If you're community based and then use the car for holidays, shopping and so on, you may end up with a nice bill at the end of the term.

vivainsomnia you know fuck all about adults with a severe learning disability
Funny how assumptions are built just because you don't agree with a few selected people. As it is, you couldn't be further from the truth.

Ultimately, if it comes down purely to the rules, the obvious response is to ask them. Why not do so if it is obvious that it is perfectly acceptable.

"Funny how assumptions are built just because you don't agree with a few selected people. As it is, you couldn't be further from the truth."

I am then suprised with you having an adult child with a severe learning disability, why you have so little understanding.

Surely then you must also understand that each parent caring for said child at home is saving council's hundreds of thousands a year in funding per adult and parents certainly aren't gaining money out of it.

My reading of it is that the disabled person can use it for work, not any named driver.
My Mum has a mobility car, she is unable to drive and sdad won’t use it at all if she isn’t in the car unless he is going to collect a prescription for her or similar.
They are probably being a bit over the top with that but my understanding is that the car is to be used for the benefit of the person who is given it. I know that going to work to support the disabled person does kind of come under that but it’s tenuous.
You really need to check with Motability as nobody on here really knows.
Im sorry for your situation, it does sound hard.

No it's not tenuous ,people need to.read recruited and not just make their own rules up.

Reads the rules *

Hence my check with Motability suggestion

The car isn't restricted to use by or for the PIP claimant only. It is "their vehicle" in the sense that they are the primary user, but there are no restrictions on use by other people provided it benefits the disabled person - from the motability site "other named drivers in the household can use the car for shopping and other routine activities, as long as the disabled person will benefit." That includes earning a living so the household is better off. It's a pretty wide interpretation, and in the end unless the person claiming PIP complained, then there is no policing of it.

It is the blue badge that carries the restriction - the disabled person must be in the vehicle.