There's too much animosity towards benefit recipients.

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Any and every flavour of benefit recipient, disabled, pensioner, out of work, low paid, single parent etc etc.
There's a mean and nasty cohort on mumsnet who are vitriolic in their hatred for them all.
What do people want instead of giving people a basic level of existence?
What do they think will happen without benefits?

I claim MR DLA for my DS and earn north of £100k. DH earns twice as much as me . We’ve both been 40%/HR taxpayers for 20 plus years and worked our bollocks off to afford our lifestyle, so damn right we claim every penny. It’s not means tested for a reason!

PP’s on here seriously expect us not to claim because we have “too much” already?! 6 years of nappies, only organic cotton clothing with no seams, private booking of anything we want to do (theatre = we need a box to protect DS and others, train must be first class or he’ll melt down if it gets crowded), we have tried every liquidiser on the market to process his food, blackout curtains, respite if we want more than 4 hours’ sleep. The pathetic DLA does not even touch the sides of those costs. Our tax bill was 6 figures last year and we get ZERO apart from DLA - FA from the NHS, FA from the LA. So that’s private as well.

Left-leaning posters are (unsurprisingly) displaying appalling ableism. Remind me again why deserving and undeserving poor is v v bad? (Except when wealthy undeserving people claim). FFS.

Probably as a chiropodist

@actualnamechange I think your previous posts towards me would completely contradict your claim not to be bitchy and spiteful! Does being an "honest" person remove your ability to have an adult discussion and disagree with my comments without name calling and vindictiveness?

You're that unique then?

@Peteryougit yeah I'm not saying put them back I know things can change
But if you can't afford one to start with is my point

'Blimey' indeed. I suppose the second child would then be taken into care and the parents sterilised. Coupled with a cold, calm expression of the desire to introduce slave labour. The perfect embodiment of what Tories really think and are. Chilling.

@PearlclutchersInc no but im definitely not going to risk my profession just to satisfy a stranger on an internet forum

@Sugarplumfairy65 yeah definitely because that would bring me into contact with kids with adhd wouldn't it 🙄

Calm down. I said you were chatting shit and I still hold that view. You are not doing yourself any favours here you calling me vindictive. In fact the more you post the more embarrassing it is. I would take a step back if I were you. For your own good. It can't be nice trying to defend your claims when you have no defence.

@Hobbi but if you can't pay for a child, you can't pay!
I don't get why people get so wound up about this? If I get pregnant, I will have to terminate because I have NO MONEY for a child
I couldn't afford nappies let alone child care
If you're on the bones of your arse you use bulletproof contraception (2 kinds) and if you get pregnant (like I did) then terminate

There isn't a magic money tree I can find in my garden no matter how broody I get, it sucks, but it is what it is. Same as why people choose to have only 2 or 3. Otherwise we would all be having loads but mostly finances i imagine are the reason people stop

I'm not saying give up children you already have, because that's stupid

@actualnamechange I don't need to defend anything! Its the truth, simple as that! Makes not a blind bit of difference to me and I don't claim benefits but it will make a massive difference to genuine claimants when the whole system becomes unsustainable and much harder than it already is!

I agree.

There are massive groups of people who work hard, earn NMW for example but have LESS than some of those groups claiming benefits. Of course it causes massive resentment! Person X is working their ass off, whilst person Y has a similar or much better standard of living for doing bugger all or close to it.

Then there are those who claim but have the ‘white van’ on the drive way.

if you earn well, then you don’t begrudge benefits because you have SO much more.

I would very much like to see the long overdue link up between HMRC and CMS to extract child support from absent parents (the large majority of whom are men) which would immeasurable improve children's lives.

We've had webchats on here over the years where Ministers have said it's happening ... and it NEVER happens.

Billions of £££ that children haven't been and aren't receiving.

I hardly think that you confirming the field that you're allegedly in will out you. Or do you think that someone might recognise your generally snotty attitude.

I'd like to hope that you don't employ it in the workplace.

I am all in favour of disabled and Pensioners claiming benefit/State Pension but so many posts are made up of people saying why should I work full time when I will only earn a bit more than working part time and claiming UC and HB? That attitude is taking the piss of people who work full time, have second jobs, or work lots of overtime to keep their heads above water only to end up subsidizing the ones who clearly would rather just work as few hours and claim benefits. You know just 20 years ago there was no UC top ups to stay home. You worked enough to support your family or you chose to limit number of kids you had. If you could not afford to live in London because of expensive housing you moved to a cheaper area. Now it is all I want to stay in London so tax payer can pick up my social housing benefit bill. The government needs to get tougher on those actively choosing not to work full time/earn enough to support their own families. Having no childcare is no excuse as should have considered that before having children and government now gives up to 30 hours free childcare for 3 and 4 year olds so mostly only first 3 years parents have to pay full childcare anyway. Kids go to school at 4. I agree some leeway for parents with under 5's but after that there should be less handouts and less taxes for all.

I get frustrated with the free childcare for those on benefits, especially those who are not working when those working full time to avoid benefits spend majority of their wage on childcare. Either free/massively reduced childcare or everyone has to pay...

Snotty attitude? Well if i do have one so the majority of my work colleagues because they all think the same way...i wonder why that could be? Maybe because we see it day in and day out!

As I said upthread, the government (esp DWP policy people) and other parties are flying policy kites at the moment on forums like this to see what might fly, and they use knobhead personas to do it.

If you're on the bones of your arse you use bulletproof contraception (2 kinds) and if you get pregnant (like I did) then terminate

Sadly my parents already had three children when my father dropped dead and left my mother with no money and having to sell the house and move to where she could get a job. I suppose she could have had my brothers adopted, though.

Pretty sure there was at least one on the thread about parents' income the other day.

Mumsnet posters can’t cope with women actually having to take responsibility for their own decisions sometimes. There always has to be a sinister male puppet master pulling the strings. Contraception is free, highly effective and there is a wide choice of methods. I don’t really believe anybody ‘has an accidental baby’ these days. A careless one perhaps.

I'd bet a large number of objectors to benefits are also people who received furlough support through lockdown.

The vast majority of those receiving a form of financial support are full time workers whose wages don't cover the cost of living of fan average life in the UK.

Mumsnetters love to bash benefits recipients, but just wait until a landlord thread comes along and you realize a lot of them are buy to let landlords and benefitting from all this money being paid to low earners in benefits to help with high private rent costs. It makes me so angry.

But back to the original question, I don’t think it’s benefit claimants that some posters ‘don’t like’, I think it’s the benefit claimants who seem to be completely ignorant to the fact that many people who don’t claim and work full time have little more spare cash than they do. So of course it grates, seeing somebody working a nice part time week, ‘getting’ as much as you while
simultaneously telling you you should be pleased for them and supportive.