There's too much animosity towards benefit recipients.

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Any and every flavour of benefit recipient, disabled, pensioner, out of work, low paid, single parent etc etc.
There's a mean and nasty cohort on mumsnet who are vitriolic in their hatred for them all.
What do people want instead of giving people a basic level of existence?
What do they think will happen without benefits?

If it wasn't for the fact that she's no longer with us I'd swear you're my mother. She enjoyed periodic rants about benefit claimants, as well.

I think there are serious issues to address with the PIP system, such as:

Why do only 39% of claimants receive an award on their first attempt, yet 75% of tribunal appeals are successful?

What happens when tens of thousands of long covid patients start claiming, because it's the only way to get a blue badge / access the services that @medicatedgift talked about?

How will the DWP ever clear the backlog?

All sounds a bit Gilead to me. Some around here come across as if they would 'agree with some of their policies'.

Yanbu op

Its all part of the approach. Demonise certain groups to divert attention from the government and it’s appalling behaviour and actions, rinse and repeat.

Appeals to those lacking empathy and intelligence in general, so a sure way to secure at least some votes.

What about the people who’s circumstances change after they have children? People who lose
their jobs or become i’ll? Or people who have a partner who does leaving them a single
parent or a partner who walks away?

Life can change in a heartbeat.

People are allowed to think differently to you OP. What annoys me is that too many people in society berate those who dare to voice the unpopular opinion. Just because someone’s opinion is different it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Helps if it's evidence based though.

@Onnabugeisha I know how to touch a nerve? What by telling the truth as someone who deals with this day in and day out? No one is saying that there aren't many genuine claimants but there are also many many who know how to play the system! Instead of having a discussion about how and why this is happening i get called names and told im lying by the people on here that simply cannot accept the truth? Nothing will change for genuine claimants and may even get worse until these discussions are had and solutions are found! Do you people seriously think the government is just going to keep funding an ever increasing welfare state? No they will start making it impossible to claim and not worth claiming, then it will be the genuine claimants that suffer!! Why do you all take it personally if you are genuine claimants with genuine issues then im clearly not talking about you am i? 🤷‍♀️

bloodyplanes

You’re talking bullshit. We had to fill in a 14 page form that included a long list of professionals working with my Dd who absolutely were contacted as they told us when they were. We have 3 degrees between us and struggled with the form. We were warned that the more evidence we could include the better so had to battle to get loads of things on paper including prescriptions. A professional had to speak to the health assessor and we were rung to have dates re admissions clarified and proved as anything over a month means you’re not eligible.

I definitely have a medical degree!

I've never felt jealous of those who can't/ won't work. Many people are simply unemployable I have no wish to see anyone starve. I'd love there to be a trial for universal basic income.

Doing what exactly that you have such intimate knowledge of all these fakes and cheats?

And I’m the Queen of Sheba…..

But as this is an anonymous forum we’ll never really know will we?

Not talking bullshit at all! I've seen forms go in with GP details, Dr's details! No supporting evidence and they have been awarded! Yes the forms are long but not every question applies to every claimant!

I definitely have a medical degree!

Can you stop using !!! all the time? it's like being shouted at.

@PearlclutchersInc well im not going to out myself by telling you that am i! Seriously!!!

I actually have second hand embarrassment here.

Sorry I simply don’t believe you.

What is your job?

not working at all and claiming handouts seems to be a lifestyle choice for many, along with producing hordes of children and complaining to the papers because the council refuses to provide a 6 bedroom council house.

You do realise the tiny number of people (not 'many') 'producing hordes of children' and 'complaining to the papers because the council refuses to provide a 6 bedroom council house' don't represent the majority?

I didn't say owt about agreeing with me I asked a question, what's a better alternative?

Most of us are fine with geniune but in the real world and not middle class mumsnet know that there are some who take the piss and also that some get trapped in benefits and that is never good, the system sometimes means your not better off working when all things are taken into account and thats never good that people get caught in that trap

And that the newspapers love to embellish everything they can about these stories -
“let’s just round it up to 7k in benefits a month, that will get them frothing” - to get people to read them?

It’s sensationalist bullshit peddled to demonise those on benefits even more and it’s lapped up with people with nothing better to do than kick down.

Ahh bitchiness and spite because you clearly can't think of anything relevant and intelligent to say! Its not me you need to be embarrassed for!

Don't mistake my genuine embarrassment for you as spite. I'm not a spiteful or bitchy person but i am an honest one and you are talking shit. I can only imagine it's because you have the very kind of bad attitude towards disabled people that is being discussed.

It’s exactly what the tories want. Blaming the benefit claimants and immigrants for everything takes the blame away from them. It’s astonishing that people don’t realise this.