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To think that alcohol ban in Qatar shouldn’t be a shock

437 replies

Laurendelaney1987 · 18/11/2022 08:30

The Newspapers are reporting that alcohol will not be served in stadiums during the World Cup.

I don’t understand the uproar: it’s a Muslim country: if you go there you shouldn’t expect to be drinking. Visitors have a choice of whether to visit or not, and Qatar are quite right to not want lots of drunks causing mayhem.

There are many many issues with hosting the World Cup in Qatar: but I don’t think this is a big one

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BosaNova · 18/11/2022 15:16

MollieMarie · 18/11/2022 15:12

The people have never been able to choose the next PM after one has resigned, that's what leadership elections are for.
We vote for a party not a PM.
We don't operate under a presidential system.

No but there is a rule and there is a pisstake which does not then see particularly democratic at the end of the day.

CheeseIsMyPatronus · 18/11/2022 15:16

The stadium is built on the death of thousands. It's obscene.

HelensToenail · 18/11/2022 15:24

The pathetic wimpy welsh team have made it out for training as have the english team. They look very hot and sweaty esp TA-A and cooling down with big pitch-side blowers of cold air and water

The stadia are 10-15 degrees cooler than as they have shade and air-con - the training grounds appear to be in full sun

vera99 · 18/11/2022 15:26

With the price of booze and the human rights record, I would need a stiff drink if I was there. Thankfully human innovation came up with the hip flask.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 18/11/2022 15:30

Eastie77Returns · 18/11/2022 14:45

My ancestors were enslaved, raped and worked to death in plantations owned by British people so if I want to compare the human rights record of this precious island with Qatar I fucking well will. And no, I don’t care if “slavery ended xx years ago”. The impact of it can still be felt today for some of us.

If you seriously think this is country where everyone’s rights are respected I’ll take whatever you’re on.

Which of your human rights are not respected in the UK now?

SVRT19674 · 18/11/2022 15:31

The first world cup I won´t watch...may all those workers who have lost their lives (in the thousands) or been maimed find peace.
Budweiser will have a good team of lawyers I guess and I hope they sue Fifa for zillions. Now that I will watch. To the Qatari government, well may they get what they deserve in an ever hotter place than their country.

BosaNova · 18/11/2022 15:42

SVRT19674 · 18/11/2022 15:31

The first world cup I won´t watch...may all those workers who have lost their lives (in the thousands) or been maimed find peace.
Budweiser will have a good team of lawyers I guess and I hope they sue Fifa for zillions. Now that I will watch. To the Qatari government, well may they get what they deserve in an ever hotter place than their country.

So you were ok with the close to 2k of workers in Russia who died annually before their world cup?

lightisnotwhite · 18/11/2022 15:43

RedAppleGirl · 18/11/2022 13:45

Mostly because the groups listed by those quoting the alphabet (Woke) are not connected to one another anyway. Conflating the groups attempts to give the message more weight. In actual fact, it just pisses people off.
Qatar is a nation-state and as such can bid for the world cup and behave by its own regional national morals and values.

But it doesn’t, that’s the point. People would mind less if they gained the contract based on a no alcohol policy.

Qatar is as corrupt and contrary as befits a country ruled by a family who can’t be deposed. Alcohol is not permitted unless it’s part of a bid to host, or you’re wealthy enough to have a corporate box.

Crumpetloveliness · 18/11/2022 15:50

@MollieMarie countries develop and progress at different rates. Just because they discovered oil and have money does mean they’re anywhere near as ‘developed’ as you’re inferring

Crumpetloveliness · 18/11/2022 15:51

@lightisnotwhite family that can’t be disposed…..hmmm how far off are we then?

lightisnotwhite · 18/11/2022 15:52

@Eastie77Returns Quite and your ancestors will have done the same to different people in the history before that. Which societies lived without killing, enslaving or colonising others? They’re can’t be many.
Hopefully we ( as a planet) have reached a point where we recognise the value of being civilised. Not there for everyone yet but a lot better than it was 500, 1000 or 5000 years ago.
We have also worked out that democracy is better than any other system of government so far and even though we may have beliefs about how other people live we respect, debate and tolerate their position.

MollieMarie · 18/11/2022 15:56

Crumpetloveliness · 18/11/2022 15:50

@MollieMarie countries develop and progress at different rates. Just because they discovered oil and have money does mean they’re anywhere near as ‘developed’ as you’re inferring

Sorry, which post of mine are you referring to? I don't think I've inferred anything of the sort.

samyeagar · 18/11/2022 16:02

Where is the celebration of cultural diversity that we are all supposed be doing? Oh, that's right, it's only if it's the right kind of culture.

lightisnotwhite · 18/11/2022 16:02

Crumpetloveliness · 18/11/2022 15:51

@lightisnotwhite family that can’t be disposed…..hmmm how far off are we then?

Well we had a civil over this issue 350 years ago. So we are a very many years along from the Qataris I think.

SirMingeALot · 18/11/2022 16:04

samyeagar · 18/11/2022 16:02

Where is the celebration of cultural diversity that we are all supposed be doing? Oh, that's right, it's only if it's the right kind of culture.

Are the Qataris not supposed to be celebrating any cultural diversity either then?

samyeagar · 18/11/2022 16:06

SirMingeALot · 18/11/2022 16:04

Are the Qataris not supposed to be celebrating any cultural diversity either then?

So they should conform to western cultural ideas of diversity?

Activelyannoyed · 18/11/2022 16:08

samyeagar · 18/11/2022 16:06

So they should conform to western cultural ideas of diversity?

Is that a typo? Did you mean to write celebrate instead of conform?

SirMingeALot · 18/11/2022 16:19

Yep, blatant double standard there @samyeagar!

samyeagar · 18/11/2022 16:20

Activelyannoyed · 18/11/2022 16:08

Is that a typo? Did you mean to write celebrate instead of conform?

Celebrate works just as well.

MollieMarie · 18/11/2022 16:25

samyeagar · 18/11/2022 16:20

Celebrate works just as well.

And why should we have to celebrate their culture when they don't celebrate anyone elses?

BosaNova · 18/11/2022 16:27

SirMingeALot · 18/11/2022 16:19

Yep, blatant double standard there @samyeagar!

It's a historical double standard. West was always the only right way to do things. (The west west, not whole Europe )

RedAppleGirl · 18/11/2022 16:28

Crumpetloveliness · 18/11/2022 15:50

@MollieMarie countries develop and progress at different rates. Just because they discovered oil and have money does mean they’re anywhere near as ‘developed’ as you’re inferring

Let's take the debate to the enth degree, are western ideals progressing to more unity or less, do western ideals have longevity across all strata?

Anyway, the World cup is a blue-ribbon event to celebrate football, with nothing to do with culture or diversity. It was actually very nationalistic, pitting one country against the other. Unity and inclusivity weren't a thing until recent world cups.

I think China ought to be given a World cup they did an outstanding job at the Olympics.

gelnailfail · 18/11/2022 16:29

They shouldn't be holding the world Cup due to their appalling record on human rights that's the main issue. I'm going to boycott watching it.

SirMingeALot · 18/11/2022 16:31

BosaNova · 18/11/2022 16:27

It's a historical double standard. West was always the only right way to do things. (The west west, not whole Europe )

Actually, the poster concerned is exhibiting the exact opposite double standard here.

samyeagar · 18/11/2022 16:33

MollieMarie · 18/11/2022 16:25

And why should we have to celebrate their culture when they don't celebrate anyone elses?

That's where it gets tricky though doesn't it?

In the west, we are in a period of heightened cultural awareness, acceptance, and celebration. What comes along with that though is the unspoken in polite company idea that maybe not all cultures should be celebrated. Which in turn leads to who gets to be the arbiter of that? And based on what? A sense of cultural superiority? Which flies right in the face of awareness, acceptance and celebration.

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