To think that alcohol ban in Qatar shouldn’t be a shock

[Laurendelaney1987]

The Newspapers are reporting that alcohol will not be served in stadiums during the World Cup.

I don’t understand the uproar: it’s a Muslim country: if you go there you shouldn’t expect to be drinking. Visitors have a choice of whether to visit or not, and Qatar are quite right to not want lots of drunks causing mayhem.

There are many many issues with hosting the World Cup in Qatar: but I don’t think this is a big one

Message to the world if you are a shit-ole no tourneys for you.

We have a tourny for that, it's called the Euro cup.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a deal with hotels - you ban the concourse drinking, we’ll lay the matches on a big TV in our bar (where you can legally drink).

The irony of watching it on TV in Doha…

What are you implying? We only allow world tournaments in countries with the same beliefs and values

each of these major sporting events has a massive list of criteria which are applied to the applying countries. The olympics, the commonwealth games, T20 Cricket world cup, football world cup etc etc

Among things like human rights, placement of stadia, number and price categories of hotels for the visitors and so on. (ok so FIFA ignored them for Qatar but that's not my point here)

So yes, we do award events on based on a set of shared (more or less) or agreed beliefs and values (fixed on by the countless committees that drive the organisers).

And there are agreements about sponsors, what the players are and aren't allowed to do and so on (in terms of promotions, interviews, taking off their shirts if they score a goal)

There are agreements and rules about what is allowed on the shirts, the warm up kit etc etc

Presumably also the sponsors sign up to these rules, as should the host countries/organisations.

Message to the world if you are a shit-ole no tourneys for you

glad you’ve seen the light @RedAppleGirl 😉

You listed precisely two groups: women and gay people. They’re connected in that they both deserve not to be discriminated against. It’s your specious argument about not conflating the two I’m taking issue with at this point rather than anything Qatar is doing. I see you’ve also posted further up bleating about people being on the thread being intolerant. The irony 🤣

What is even more worrying is that anyone calls that Cat's piss beer.

Olympics are good in ignoring issues too tbh. Including unsuitable climate

Qatar's abuse of women and immigrant workers is disgusting. Shame on Fifa and the rest who have accepted blood money.

Not forgetting homosexuals and probably a long list of others.

No probs re tourists drinking in Dubai for example

Big problems if you live there and drink without a licence. Big problems also for tourists if they get drunk and get caught. I’ve had to bribe a few taxi drivers for visiting friends post-brunch.

Interestingly when I took my husband’s (Muslim) surname, my alcohol licence was refused even though I had his written “permission” to drink. 🙄

Olympics are good in ignoring issues too tbh. Including unsuitable climate

nobody is saying they are. The point is that it can't be a surprise that these shennanegins are going on when the organisations don't keep to the criteria they set.
We've been warning about this shitshow for years. It is not a surprise. And again, i wouldn't be surprised if this had been the game all along to get their bribe money back

I think I reached peak Gary Lineker when he said it would make a stand if two gay Premiership footballers he knew came out during the tournament. Why doesn't he make a stand by refusing to work on it?

Because that would have cost him money ...?

FIFA is paying the price for this stupid decision right now, although I would imagine they will call force majeure on the contract with Budweiser if they can and saying it was out with their control. The players are also struggling due to the huge heat and humid climate. The bad publicity is mounting, and it won’t be doing Qatar any good either. And it is going to get worse. A lot worse. As we will see unmarried people who may kiss publicly, gay people, women not dressing modestly enough, anyone drinking too much alL being fucking jailed.

The Qataris are making it very clear with this decision that any visitors must act in accordance with their rules. It is a disaster in the making. Because there is going to be a percentage of those going who will not comply. Even if it’s five percent who don’t comply that’s 50 thousand people. From all over the world.

make ni mistake, this ban on beer is a message being sent by the Qatari royal family, there will be no lenience. No nod to western culture. It will be full compliance with their rules, laws and culture, or punishment.

very soon we will hear about arrests , dimplomatic involvement and multiple issues arising.

there are many events which could be held in Qatar. Football World Cup is not one of them. However to be fair to FIFA, it does seem like the Qataris gave assurances that habe now been reneged on., an example being clearly there was an agreement beer could be sold during the matches. FIFA signed a contract based on this agreement, as did Budweiser. And at rhe last minute rhe Qataris changed their minds.

thsts shit of lineker. Those men can’t, they face the risk of arrest. What the fuck is wrong with him to ask people to out themselves when in Qatar

What the fuck is wrong with him to ask people to out themselves when in Qatar

I wouldn't want to assume he means it, Activelyannoyed; most likely he's just signposting gay support for the sake of his own image

I'd also hope nobody would take the risk of doing this just because Linekar said so, but who knows ...?

Bloody Norah, gay footballers can't out themselves in places like Germany and UK, they are very unlikely to want to do it in Qatar. And why the fuck should they?

(I mean, i would rather they feel able to be out anywhere they like but i know how it would go)

My ancestors were enslaved, raped and worked to death in plantations owned by British people so if I want to compare the human rights record of this precious island with Qatar I fucking well will. And no, I don’t care if “slavery ended xx years ago”. The impact of it can still be felt today for some of us.

If you seriously think this is country where everyone’s rights are respected I’ll take whatever you’re on.

Basically if England win it won't be a tainted cup if they don't it will.

He is.
As someone has pointed out though earlier in a thread. We in uk are not much better when it comes to gay players....

It's been the law in Scottish stadiums since 1980 that no alcohol is sold or consumed in the stadium. I presume at the world Cup people will just drink before and after, that seems to be the norm here.

But I think what people are discussing is the current human rights violations ongoing in Qatar. We can all delve through history and find the worst atrocities committed to deflect blame from other countries, but it's not really relevant to modern day discussion.

Also I don't think you understand how democracy or leadership elections work.

Slavery in Qatar (real slavery, not low wages or shady business practices) is literally within living memory so I suggest you not compare the two, it’s rather insulting.

Qatar is a nation-state and as such can bid for the world cup and behave by its own regional national morals and values

Does that include reneging on contractual agreements? Because this was already agreed upon years ago and NOW they are throwing a fit when nothing can be done.

Also I don't think you understand how democracy or leadership elections work

We literally have unelected by people leaders who are backing out of promises their parties were elected on 🙈 what the pp siad isn't exactly wrong when it comes to current politics

The issue is why anyone would lose their shit over not imbibing alcohol when they were previously happy enough to visit a country with as atrocious a human rights record as theirs.

Why anyone ever thought it a good idea to hold a major sporting tournament in the first place beats me. Not least, get very rich off the back of it, which would say much for the motivation but little for the morality. There's far too much money in men's football; this, however, is a separate argument.

The people have never been able to choose the next PM after one has resigned, that's what leadership elections are for.
We vote for a party not a PM.
We don't operate under a presidential system.