Printout of cost to NHS

[1dontunderstand]

I don’t think IBU but here goes:

I think every patient should be given a printout of how much their care has cost the NHS.

Every GP visit
Every vaccine for them or their child
Every midwife/health visitor
Every blood test
Every ambulance or A & E visit

I don’t think people have any idea how much their health care costs

Sone of this information is available. The PSSRU publishes unit costs for e.g cost of an A&E admission, cost of a GP visit, cost of a care home bed

Unit costs health & social care

To add to my above post and the poster below mine, I was saying to ds that people live longer than they used to. In the UK with the current NHS that's going to change soon. You can't survive a heart attack or stroke waiting hours for an ambulance so we all have to look forward to in old age. Falling and laying on the floor for ten plus hours. Two years on a waiting list. Do this for five years and you naturally decrease SC etc costs. But is it moral? Is what you want for you or your mum? Because let's be honest it saves lots of nhs costs down the line when you can see a gp, get an ambulance etc.

My job is lliterally to "gather and curate this information " so that part is already being done.

How do you think primary care trusts bill the nhs for work done?

Where do you think the office of national statistics gets it's health data from?

We do it so as not to take " a worker away from doing treatment-related work."

Though yes there would need to be people to deal with disputes.

Will all be paying soon anyway!! Then people feeling guilty will be replaced by people literally not being able to afford treatment. In the US leading cause of bankruptcy and losing a house etc is apparently a cancer diagnosis :( so sad.

I think a lot of people have misunderstood why OP wants people to know the real cost of the NHS.

To make them appreciate it more and understand what they’d be really paying without it.

...but if you give someone that info, you cant control or prescribe how they must feel about it.
Some people will take an interest out of curiosity.
some will feel grateful. Some might not take any notice and think its a waste of paper since its not actually a bill they need to pay. Some will feel guilty at the cost. Some might think they're a burden and might not seek treatment next time....

I'm not against your idea, OP, but what problem at your trying to solve with it?

I don't know about anything else but on the system for prescriptions there is a button the staff can press which will say how much each item costs.

I knew years ago that people were shown to be better at keeping up the medication (completing the course of e.g. antibiotics) etc for their pets than medication prescribed from the NHS. This could be linked with appreciating the costs involved?

But things are already dire. Choosing to tell me that the last three times I've contacted the NHS has cost x amount when I'm still ill and no sign of it ending will not make me think the NHS is fantastic or how lucky I am to be left in this state, it will make me fucking angry at the waste of money when simply seeing an actual dr could have made me better already.

I’d be up for this when they also print and post to all the patients who attend the clinic of the consultant who sexually assaulted m how they paid me to try to get me to shut up, how much their retainer solicitor is getting for every email sent, how much they will eventually have in legal fees and compensation when my claim ends.

Similarly I’d be happy for them to print my therapy costs and time spent writing to the bunch of arseholes who are defending him.

oh and when they print the amount of costs (legal, compensation, tribunal costs) every time one of their beloved medical staff sexually assaulted people in their care, mistreated them (the doctor who punched a patient in the face)…

then I’ll happily see how much my medical care costs (and my Dd) and I’ll enjoy it.

OP perhaps members of the public should also do printouts showing all the sacrifices they made during the lockdowns to protect the NHS

What miffs me is people looking for paracetamol on prescription or using Minor Ailments Scheme to get it

Yes because the health service was already teetering on collapse due to years of government neglect and underfunding. If we had a fully functioning and fit for purpose health service, if the pandemic wargame actions had been completed as they should have been, and if services hadn't already been cut to thr none with savage staff shortages then there would have definitely been a degree of 'sacrifice', but not to the extent we saw it. The NHS also isn't a singular entity, personally the blame lies squarely with the government.

YANBU

It would also help educate a large chunk of the (mainly older) population who are under the impression they’ve ‘paid their share’

The majority of people in this country will never pay their share towards the NHS, especially if they have children.

"But it costs the same to the NHS regardless, the patient knowing or not doesn't change that, but for some it would perhaps make them fight a bit harder to protect the NHS"

a. wow Great way to minimize all the sacrifices made by the public during the lockdowns to protect the NHS.
b. are you admitting that those lockdowns didnt work and didnt actually achieve that protection?!

That doesn't even make any sense

You really cannot tar every NHS worker with you however tragic experience. That is literally bonkers.

I am a member of the public who made sacrifices during lockdown. I also work for the NHS. Everyone made sacrifices.

YABU
What would be the point? Personally, it would make me feel awful guilt about what I cost over the years despite the fact I can not help that. I am not the sort to go running to the GP for every tiny ailment.

They already know this, survey after survey tells us, 99.9% of people are genuinely ill and need treatment but we have not invested for demand i.e aging pop & Brexit.

Money far better spent or rather raised on charging for routine appts, AE & GPs.

Say £10 a time?

With exemptions as we do with prescriptions.

I think an up to date rough estimate on a website with approx costs of procedures, would not be a bed idea to see how much the reall cost to the NHS is but individualised receipt would a) be a nightmare and b) be the very thin end of the wedge to a process starting to charge those using services!

Then people will just wait until it becomes unbearable and possibly cost the NHS more with hospital stays

I have a chronic illness and am disabled as a result. I attend regular hospital appointments, often have surgery and take regular medication. Don’t you think my poor health is enough without being made to feel guilty for the treatment and support I receive for it?

I could currently afford the £10 for a and e and times when I'm sick, but for routine appointments no, I would not pay and would simply not go. So that's my asthma review, HRT review for each time I change my HRT because of shortages, that MOT you get every 5 years or something, smear, and more I cant think of.
Or I would pay if I get a refund every time I'm left waiting. So far in my last few appointments that I've been to I'd have a 100%refund.
Paying would not improve the service, it wont make me be ok with waiting when the person in front has taken a half hour for their 10 minute appointment, in fact 10 minutes wont cut it if I'm paying.
I've been that patient who needed more than the allotted 10 minute slot, I'm ok if I have to wait because someone else is in crisis. Make me pay and I wont be ok with that. Because I will have to work to pay for that. I'll need to ask for overtime, then do the overtime to find the money to pay to sit and wait.

Not gonna happen.

But if paying a token amount was means tested? I'd pay it. It's anywhere from £60-£100 ph half hour - hour to see a private gp. If it made people with colds or a few days into a sore throat think twice about seeing the gp. But it could never save the nhs