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Would you be offended if a comedian made a joke about dwarfism?

173 replies

girlfriend44 · 10/11/2022 18:26

Seen a comic in the last few days. Was fairly good although I did notice he made reference to dwarfism? It is acceptable now? Is it even funny?

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Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:39

Perfectpeace · 10/11/2022 21:20

I certainly don’t tell my kids that we are ok to make offensive comments but others aren’t, no.

There’s a huge difference between someone disagreeing with you and them not understanding what you are saying. You need to learn it.

No, do you speak to other people’s kids exactly as you do your own, or are you a hypocrite?

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:41

DrWhitWho · 10/11/2022 20:53

As expected

and nope, didn’t bully anyone.

Its odd a grown adult can’t grasp that humour is subjective, and depending on context some things will be funny whereas normally they’re not.

I wouldn’t see a kid with DS walking down the street and think they’re funny, or laugh, but a well timed and contextually amusing joke about said child? Sure

Such as?

Perfectpeace · 10/11/2022 21:45

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:39

No, do you speak to other people’s kids exactly as you do your own, or are you a hypocrite?

What on earth are you wittering on about??? What has that got to do with a person laughing at dwarfism and at the same time telling others it’s offensive??

Daydreamer12345 · 10/11/2022 21:46

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:39

No, do you speak to other people’s kids exactly as you do your own, or are you a hypocrite?

Speaking to your kids differently to someone else’s really doesn’t make you a hypocrite.

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:47

Perfectpeace · 10/11/2022 21:45

What on earth are you wittering on about??? What has that got to do with a person laughing at dwarfism and at the same time telling others it’s offensive??

Because families talk differently to each other than to strangers. Except you don’t seem to think so, under your very tight definition of hypocrisy.

Perfectpeace · 10/11/2022 21:47

Thank you @Daydreamer12345 I don’t think that poster actually understands what they are saying.

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:48

Daydreamer12345 · 10/11/2022 21:46

Speaking to your kids differently to someone else’s really doesn’t make you a hypocrite.

Neither does laughing with your nephew about his disability, and being annoyed when strangers do it.

Perfectpeace · 10/11/2022 21:50

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:47

Because families talk differently to each other than to strangers. Except you don’t seem to think so, under your very tight definition of hypocrisy.

I never said anything about families ‘talking to each other differently’. I said a person stating they can make jokes about a disability but when others do, it’s offensive, is hypocritical.

You don’t seem to have any understanding of what hypocrisy is. It’s like talking to a child so I’ll leave it now.

Mangolist · 10/11/2022 21:51

We, as a family can have a wry laugh about me and dd's disabilities. As I said earlier, jokes are made in public. The made in public ones are harder to manage as the majority of people will not know that we have this issue. At home, everyone is comfortable with it and knows when to stop. That's the difference

Perfectpeace · 10/11/2022 21:51

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:48

Neither does laughing with your nephew about his disability, and being annoyed when strangers do it.

That’s the definition of hypocrisy! One rule for me, another for everyone else.

Daydreamer12345 · 10/11/2022 21:54

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:48

Neither does laughing with your nephew about his disability, and being annoyed when strangers do it.

Well, I would have to disagree with you.

I think that quite clearly makes you a hypocrite

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 21:59

Perfectpeace · 10/11/2022 21:51

That’s the definition of hypocrisy! One rule for me, another for everyone else.

And yet, you have different rules for how you speak to your own children vs how you speak to others. How breathtakingly hypocritical of you.

Perfectpeace · 10/11/2022 22:08

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LadyApplejack · 10/11/2022 22:14

No. Comedy is near-the-knuckle sometimes, nobody is forced to listen.

LisaJool · 10/11/2022 22:23

I don't find jokes about disability funny tbh, especially when made by an able bodied person. It's always "contextual/dark comedy/hilarious" until you are at the butt of the joke.

kiwigeekmum · 10/11/2022 22:52

Personally I would think it's a bit off-colour. GOOD comedy should punch up, not down. Unless the comedian themselves has dwarfism in which case it's fair game.

jcyclops · 10/11/2022 22:57

napody · 10/11/2022 19:58

Depends on the tone of the joke: punching down is not cool.

Sorry.
Couldn't resist.

Some jokes go over my head.

nomoreflyingducks · 10/11/2022 22:58

Yes comedy is subjective, everyone has a different sense of humour, personally for me though I like humour with intelligence the cleverest and wittiest comedians are the ones who don't need to poke 'fun' bully at other peoples differences. Self deprecation can be very amusing (laughing with someone as opposed to laughing at someone). The wittiest people I've known are those who are clever with words and puns, but at no point do they use minority groups to get their laugh.
So Op I wouldn't find someone of average or tall stature taking the piss 'joking' about dwarfism funny. The fact that people on hear think it's a laugh to make fun of children with Down's syndrome is absolutely sickening. Cruel humour is thinly disguised bullying. What's that truism? Oh yeh 'a joke is only funny if everyone is laughing'.

5foot5 · 10/11/2022 23:17

DrWhitWho · 10/11/2022 20:14

Again, not more funny, if a random kid had something amusing about them they’d be just as funny depending on the joke and the context.

I will also point out that Frankie Boyle didn’t mock a child with Down’s syndrome, he mocked people with Down’s syndrome and a mother of a child with DS got offended and called him out mid show.

I remember reading about this story at the time. Whilst I am appalled at Frankie Boyle making jokes about someone with Downs Syndrome, what struck me was the hypocrisy of the mother who called him out on the joke.

She admitted that she knew what sort of humour he used when she went to see the show. So presumably she was prepared to laugh at cruel jokes aimed at other targets but objected when the joke got closer to home.

Hmmm!

canyouextrapol · 11/11/2022 08:36

Depends on the context. People seem to think that no one can ever be offended these days. Obvious hate speech is clearly not acceptable but we need to keep free speech. Soon no one will be able to say anything for fear of upsetting them. Someone told me recently that completing the hair style of someone of a different race could be considered a micro aggression!

PurpleParrotfish · 11/11/2022 09:01

I think ’offended’ is a bit of a loaded word. No one likes to think of themselves as easily offended. It has connotations of that well-known MN phrase ‘pearl-clutching’.
If the OP had asked whether you would think a comedian making a joke about dwarfism was a bit of a twat I wonder if more people would agree. I certainly would.
The argument seems to be that it’s too easy to satirise the rich and powerful so comedians need to mock disabled people, rape victims etc. to be edgy and ground-breaking Hmm

Endofmytether2020 · 11/11/2022 13:38

For all those mentioning Ricky Gervais, it's worth reading this article metro.co.uk/2021/08/16/the-office-producer-ash-atalla-uncomfortable-with-ricky-gervais-jokes-15099299/and watching this clip

The quote "see what you could get away with and then reverse intellectualise it" applied to Ricky Gervais seems pretty pertinent nowadays. Obviously we do have free speech so abled people can make jokes with disability as the punchline but it doesn't mean they are funny.

TheSomersetGimp · 11/11/2022 14:02

Oh it can be funny sometimes. I'm a disabled person. If the joke is funny I will laugh, even if it is seemingly at my expense. It's not actually personal is it. Although some people certainly take it that way.

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