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Would you be offended if a comedian made a joke about dwarfism?

173 replies

girlfriend44 · 10/11/2022 18:26

Seen a comic in the last few days. Was fairly good although I did notice he made reference to dwarfism? It is acceptable now? Is it even funny?

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Daydreamer12345 · 10/11/2022 19:38

5foot5 · 10/11/2022 19:30

You don’t have to have dwarfism to find a joke offensive or not.

I don't get this. Surely the only people who might be offended by a joke are those who are in the group who are the target of the joke, or close relatives. So in this case I understand why someone with dwarfism or who has a child with dwarfism might legitimately find it offensive.

That doesn't mean that people who are not targeted by the joke should necessarily approve. I obviously don't know what was said but I can imagine one might think "Oh that's not on, that's unacceptable, not funny, not a good joke." But that's not the same as being offended.

What’s not to get?

I don’t really know how else to word it.

I’m not disabled but I could still find a joke about a disability offensive.

Daydreamer12345 · 10/11/2022 19:39

Daydreamer12345 · 10/11/2022 19:27

That’s obviously disgraceful and acceptable.

no one on the thread is defending this type of behaviour but as pp have said comedy is subjective for reasons like this

can you honestly say you’ve never laughed at a joke someone else may find offensive for reasons like yours.

we don’t even know what the joke was,

Fgs

*unacceptable

Georgeskitchen · 10/11/2022 19:41

DrWhitWho · 10/11/2022 18:44

No

But then again I have a dark sense of humour, more Frankie Boyle than Russel Howard

Ah the ever delightful Frankie Boyle who thinks its OK to mock children with Downs syndrome

Quveas · 10/11/2022 19:41

WildOats5678 · 10/11/2022 18:32

Comedy is subjective what is offensive to you is not to someone else. Comedy shouldn’t be censored.

Of course it should. It is possible to be funny without being offensive. There may be some differences of subjective opinion but there are things that are obviously offensive and even unlawful. There is no such thing as free speech

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 19:42

People who think they have a dark sense of humour are invariably people who use the word ‘snowflakes’ or ‘woke’.

Mlb123 · 10/11/2022 19:43

It depends on context of course but it can actually make people feel included. Often it's more effective than people being too worried of offending someone to mention a characteristic. Including it in a joke can make it easier to talk about and make people who share that characteristic feel more like everyone is treated the same and that wouldn't happen if other characteristics were included in jokes, but theirs was never mentioned at all like it didn't exist at all. That's likely to make someone feel like it's something shameful or something. I'm not sure if I. Getting this across right xxx

MaryBeardsShoes · 10/11/2022 19:43

Making fun of people for the way they look isn't funny or clever. I wouldn't be "offended" but I wouldn't be impressed either and would be put off seeing someone who took cheap shots at others.

x2boys · 10/11/2022 19:44

Well dwarfism is a disabillity so yeah i eould be uncomfortable ,
I have a very dark sense of humour myself but there are limits ,i remember watching a comedian a few years ago who was taking the piss out of some one in the audience ,and said she must be special ,as she travelled on one of those special buses to school ,now he didnt know that our table and the one next to us all have disabled kids ,who all go to special schools on those buses ,but you would have thought in this day and age he would have been more aware

StopStartStop · 10/11/2022 19:44

I went to a Russell Howard show once. I was taken, really, it was a birthday treat. He spent all night mocking fat people.

Billy Connolly had a story featuring a 'dwarf'. See YouTube.

mam0918 · 10/11/2022 19:45

There was a cartoon years ago that had a clip of a grumpy old man and a dwarf sat silently at the bus stop when the old bastard suddenly snaps out of nowhere 'so wheres the rest of you'.

It was a funny joke and everyone Ive seen see it laughed. Not at the dwarf (there was nothing funny about the dwarf) but the out of line cantankerous old git and the suprise of it because it was so unexpected out of the calm silence.

Its the timing, situation, characters and juxtoposition that made it funny, If I just walked up randomly to a dwarf and said 'where the rest of you' likely no one would find it funny and people would look confused because comedy doesnt translate automatically but that doesnt mean it can never be funny.

And just because a joke uses a difference doesnt mean its at its expense.

Mlb123 · 10/11/2022 19:45

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 19:42

People who think they have a dark sense of humour are invariably people who use the word ‘snowflakes’ or ‘woke’.

I have only ever heard the work woke on films thankfully! Lol x

DrWhitWho · 10/11/2022 19:46

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 19:42

People who think they have a dark sense of humour are invariably people who use the word ‘snowflakes’ or ‘woke’.

Some might be, not all.

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 19:46

mam0918 · 10/11/2022 19:45

There was a cartoon years ago that had a clip of a grumpy old man and a dwarf sat silently at the bus stop when the old bastard suddenly snaps out of nowhere 'so wheres the rest of you'.

It was a funny joke and everyone Ive seen see it laughed. Not at the dwarf (there was nothing funny about the dwarf) but the out of line cantankerous old git and the suprise of it because it was so unexpected out of the calm silence.

Its the timing, situation, characters and juxtoposition that made it funny, If I just walked up randomly to a dwarf and said 'where the rest of you' likely no one would find it funny and people would look confused because comedy doesnt translate automatically but that doesnt mean it can never be funny.

And just because a joke uses a difference doesnt mean its at its expense.

That is very much at the expense of the dwarf though isn’t it, because saying ‘where’s the rest of you’ to a non-disabled person wouldn’t make sense.

DrWhitWho · 10/11/2022 19:47

Georgeskitchen · 10/11/2022 19:41

Ah the ever delightful Frankie Boyle who thinks its OK to mock children with Downs syndrome

Well yes, again, comedy is subjective

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 19:49

DrWhitWho · 10/11/2022 19:47

Well yes, again, comedy is subjective

And is it specifically the kids with downs syndrome that makes it funny? Like, would the same joke work with any random kid?

carefulcalculator · 10/11/2022 19:49

Depends on the joke but it is distinctly possible I would be offended, yes.

Daydreamer12345 · 10/11/2022 19:49

neverbeenskiing · 10/11/2022 19:28

I think you've missed my point, or I wasn't clear. What I'm saying is that a room full of people who don't have dwarfism might well say "nah it's fine, not offensive at all", but if someone who actually has dwarfism has a problem with the joke I'd be more interested in their point of view. Just like I don't really want to hear mens opinion about whether a joke is misogynistic or not.

It’s not just disabled people is it though? It’s race/age/sex etc. If Jokes about disabled people where not permitted then where would you draw the line between what is or not permitted

OP didn't start a thread about whether jokes about dwarfism should be "permitted". She asked whether people on here would consider it offensive. I said I don't personally enjoy comedy that mocks disabled people, I didn't say anything about banning it. I don't enjoy racist, sexist or homophobic comedy either. So I don't watch it. There's a difference between saying you don't like something and saying it shouldn't be "permitted".

1st point- Yes fair enough, I get what you were saying I just meant you’re entitled to feel offended even if you don’t have dwarfism.

2nd - Yes, ignore me.

CourtneeLuv · 10/11/2022 19:49

I wouldn't be offended.

PicturesOfDogs · 10/11/2022 19:49

Georgeskitchen · 10/11/2022 19:36

I wouldn't comment on whether a joke is or isn't offensive but pretty sure I read a news article about the cancellation of Snow White and the 7 dwarfs pantomimes and other such productions which involve people with dwarfism. This was not received well by many actors with dwarfism whose income would he affected by do-gooder who have decided they are offensive

I remember that. The actor has said that it had seriously affected his income, as he got lots of work over the Christmas period usually

IncompleteSenten · 10/11/2022 19:50

I would not find it funny.
I prefer political humour, general situational or behavioural humour. That sort of thing.

PicturesOfDogs · 10/11/2022 19:51

I’m the same, I like situational and behavioural humour.
Political humour bores me to tears though.

DrWhitWho · 10/11/2022 19:52

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 19:49

And is it specifically the kids with downs syndrome that makes it funny? Like, would the same joke work with any random kid?

Depends on whether that random kid had something that made them funny.

HRTQueen · 10/11/2022 19:54

Anything can be made part of a joke it’s the way it is told

that doesn’t mean it’s funny to laugh at people it’s funny to laugh at the joke

itsgettingweird · 10/11/2022 19:55

For all those offended.

Do you have short stature?

My ds is in para sport. Very high level and there are numerous short stature athletes. You should hear them all together taking the piss!! (That's all the athletes with various disabilities taking the piss in general of each other and themselves).

I wouldn't get offended on behalf of someone else but whether the joke appealed to me or not would depend on its content and context.

Pumperthepumper · 10/11/2022 19:55

DrWhitWho · 10/11/2022 19:52

Depends on whether that random kid had something that made them funny.

Such as Down’s syndrome?