To be disgusted that nurses may be striking for a 17% pay rise!

[justonemire]

Of course nurses should receive a fair salary and of course they have as much right as anyone else to ask for a pay rise. However to ask for a pay rise that is 5% above the current 12% inflation rate is just ridiculous and never going to be approved.

The average nurses salary is £35.600 and this would equate to a pay rise of £6.150.

Yes nurses do a great job but so do a lot of other key workers in the public sector who have only received 2%

The government simply cannot accept the nurses pay demands because if they do everyone else would go on strike for a similar deal. Where would it end.

Therefore the outcome is that people will not receive the proper level of care we are all paying taxes for. If there are strikes then The NHS will be run as if it is Christmas Day. God help us and our loved ones then.

There will be resulting misdiagnosis and deaths and where will the fault lie? Yes you can blame the government, Putin for invading Ukraine and pushing up food and energy costs, etc but I think we will also all blame the nursing profession too for asking for a completely unrealistic 17% pay rise.

Too far @Clavinova, way too far. Stick to copy and paste.

Alexandra2001

PS - If you didn't want me to mention your dd, or her finances, why did you send me an @ clavinova last night, telling me that your dd's rent had gone up by £100 a month. You mentioned her first - not me.

@Clavinova "as a keen Conservative" I'm surprised you have the time to respond to these messages. Surely you've got some fox hunting/fracking/plots to stop poor people from eating/accessing education/having a life to get on with?
I don't think keen Conservatives are welcome anywhere at the moment. Read the room.

Blossomtoes
Too far @ Clavinova, way too far

I don't see how - my post was deleted because I quoted an innocuous snippet from a previous thread - nothing more heinous than that. Mumsnet HQ have ignored all the personal attacks on me.

PinkPanther27
I don't think keen Conservatives are welcome anywhere at the moment
Read the room

That's Mumsnet for you.

I think that's most places for you right now

PinkPanther27
Surely you've got some fox hunting/fracking/plots to stop poor people from eating/accessing education/having a life to get on with?

As posted above - I don't think a salary of £27,000 plus is regarded as "poor". On the other hand, I have donated over £700 to Shelter in the last 7 years.

Off to watch Matt Hancock...

That's not a personal snipe at you BTW, it's at anyone who supports this grabby government. It is disturbingly sick that they are willing to let people, including children, die from poverty and lack of access to health care just to line their already deep pockets. It makes me feel physically sick.

@Clavinova £27000 is not 'poor' as in impoverished, however as a starting graduate salary following 3 years minimum of degree level training, 2000 hours of placement time where the NHS effectively use you as free labour and all that student debt. Only to be capped at £33k unless you change roles and become management/specialise. There are not many graduate professions that have the same payscale, particularly where you have to pay fees to maintain a professional registration. When the pay has gone down 20% in real terms compared to 2010, you can see why nurses feel devalued and will not take this lying down. We are so valuable we cannot strike but we do not deserve better pay or conditions... it's a joke!

Time we took charitable status from these fee-paying schools. Oh, Sir Keir is on top of it already. Good stuff.

Keir Starmer, Labour party leader, had previously outlined the plan in 2021, but elaborated on the policy in a speech in Gateshead on Monday.
He said the Labour party would use tax money gained by removing private schools’ charitable status to invest in state education if it wins the next general election.
The party leader said a Labour government would increase investment in education, with funding raised by “closing the VAT loophole for private schools”. The commitment is similar to one made by Jeremy Corbyn in the party’s 2019 manifesto.

Yes. Are you a twat?

When you lot have finished… if anyone else is still reading and on the fence this may be worth a read
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/11/nurses-striking-pay-save-lives-nhs-staff

These quotes struck me particularly:
”I am one of the many nurses who have had to opt out of my pension for the time being, just to keep a bit of extra money in my pay. Before I did this, I was getting to the bottom of two overdrafts each month.”

”I hear people in the government say, “Oh, nurses don’t want more pay, they want more staff.” Well, how do they think they can find them if they treat those already doing the job so badly? When there was a shortage of lorry drivers, salaries increased to attract people into the job, a totally logical reaction. Why not do this for a job as critical as nursing?”

So no gold-plated pensions, but a load of sexism. Sounds about right.

@Clavinova ooooh £100 a year to charity, I hope Mother Teresa's ghost won't be upset at you stealing her thunder

Yes exactly!
I donate about 360 free hours of work per year to the nhs totalling a donation of 7200 per year pre tax, student loans, car parking, pension, Ni…

On the other hand, I have donated over £700 to Shelter in the last 7 years.

Fantastic. I am on under £30k and I've donated waaaaaay more than that to charity

And still OP hasn’t commented, I believe they are a journalist, out to stir things up for the comments.

@Clavinova Careful you don't break the bank, hen.

I blame the jobsworth managers. If they had the entrepreneurship that the private sector has, they'd run food banks inside the hospital to get further free overtime from the staff who would not need to leave work to get to the food banks. Like BT did with the speaking clock, they could seek sponsorship - a label for a nurse saying - 'This catheterisation has been sponsored by Tena Lady'. Or 'This hypo could have been prevented by Lucozade. Tell your friends'.

Well if they are a journalist they are not as good as the Daily Mail and Andrew Neil who has pointed out that in freezing tax allowances the middle classes will be clobbered and so too will the lower paid. And at the same time you will get less in your public services - high tax for less.

If you are paying more tax, I'd like to see something for that. Not just the plugging of political mistakes by Sunak and Truss which is what it is.

27k is barely enough to live on..... you couldn't, so why on earth do you expect others too?
After bills and travel costs, people wont have anything left that makes life and work worth living, though tbf to you... you don't believe they should have a car, holidays or a night out either....

Good that MN reigns you in sometimes...... pity they can't do similar to that fool Helen Whately just as easily, with her ill judged attempt to blame Care Homes for Covid restrictions and not their disastrous handling of Brexit and Social Care.

Well done for donating to Shelter, undoing 12 years of Tory housing policy is costly :)

"27k is barely enough to live on..... you couldn't, so why on earth do you expect others too?"

OMG. 27k is a very good wage for a 22 year old!
I definitely believe nurses should be paid more and I support the strike, but don't make out getting nearly the average wage straight out of uni is so bad!
I've never earned that so can obviously live on it. Granted I don't have a family and didn't live in an expensive part of the UK.