To be disgusted that nurses may be striking for a 17% pay rise!

[justonemire]

Of course nurses should receive a fair salary and of course they have as much right as anyone else to ask for a pay rise. However to ask for a pay rise that is 5% above the current 12% inflation rate is just ridiculous and never going to be approved.

The average nurses salary is £35.600 and this would equate to a pay rise of £6.150.

Yes nurses do a great job but so do a lot of other key workers in the public sector who have only received 2%

The government simply cannot accept the nurses pay demands because if they do everyone else would go on strike for a similar deal. Where would it end.

Therefore the outcome is that people will not receive the proper level of care we are all paying taxes for. If there are strikes then The NHS will be run as if it is Christmas Day. God help us and our loved ones then.

There will be resulting misdiagnosis and deaths and where will the fault lie? Yes you can blame the government, Putin for invading Ukraine and pushing up food and energy costs, etc but I think we will also all blame the nursing profession too for asking for a completely unrealistic 17% pay rise.

Jeeze if people think 40k is well paid for a job with shit loads of stress and responsibilities then god only knows what they think of people making millions for fuck all

Maybe we should cap all wages at 30k?

I forgot to add some misleading figures about an average nurse is still earning more than enough in 2034 to buy food and live with her parents, well provided the word 'average' is sufficiently mis-interpeted about Banding and overtime and FTE and numbers of nurses and whatever other contortions that someone who either doesn't understand the limits of their understanding or is deliberately trying to misrepresent the average based on some rubbish about banding or the average nurse being called Angela until the cohort of nurses called Angela reach the new retirement age of 80 or Jubilee is introduced. Oh and my sister's dog was an overpaid nurse who bought a mansion a few years ago, well overpaid in dog biscuits. And I know 123 rich nurses, all above Band 9 on the secret managers pay scale that a nurse Chief Executive is on and all of whom laugh while they sit around all day looking at their share portfolios.

Schroedinger's MN, the average income on MN seems to be six figures but people with a vocation should be grateful to be on £30-£40k. Must be an artifact of buying MN's chicken which can feed the 5000 with several meals before becoming a wholesome stock for soup. Oh, and being able to make nutritious meals for 30p and people being able to 'do being poor' better than the poor.

It's distasteful behaviour by some Tory supporters- maybe from central office.

I note how quickly this thread descended into figures, because then everyone could compare their own circumstances.

Anyway the figures of price increases make it plain why there are 40,000 vacancies!

What has that got to do with you?

....if pay was commensurate with responsibility etc, there would not be 47k medical vacancies.... leading to delays in cancer treatments and 7.1m on waiting lists.

Pity the RCN etc hadn't asked for a 20% pay rise.

@Clavinova deflect deflect deflect. But she'll be the first to moan when her dc's school fees go up.
She only ever seems to contribute to politics threads and is always an apologist for the government. Funny that.

Anyone striking should be put on a plane to Rwanda. That's my dream.

I love the post about the nurse boasting about her "gold plated" pension and generous holiday allowance. It reminds me of all those made up posts about benefits claimants boasting about how much they get.

@Clavinova does a great deal of harm to the Conservative cause, she or he is like an on-line version of Gillian Keegan, flashing her 10k watch whilst telling nurses that they use a foodbank only when they get dumped .... or the boiler packs in........

Poor ol Gill would just hop on a plane and fly to one of her 4 homes, 3 of them in France and Spain...

Solidarity with the nurses, posties and everyone else asking for a fair wage. Teachers next ✊️

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They are so under appreciated and the Tories have shafted them for years

In truth if nurses really were to get paid for the value of their job it would be alot more than 17%.

Most of the people complaining on here about the 17% are probably office workers who's greatest responsibility is to tot up a few numbers hit a few buttons and the worst mistake they can make is to forget to press send.

Sadly, she didn't want facts but a carefully crafted Daily Mail-type smear to lob into the stream of decent folk supporting working people fighting for a decent living wage for a decent day's work. "Let them eat cake".

Happily most on this thread understood and backed this strike action. Of cours the government could try negotiating but it's tories with the damaging ex health minister (who I think wrote the book on how to privatise the NHS) now the chancellor....

The figures speak for themselves really 47000 vacancies.
The government will tell you they are increasing nursing numbers by 50000.They are way off target because this year's intake barely covered the record amount of nurses leaving(many under 45s)
Half new registrants this year were from overseas recruitment of trained nurses.
Of domestically trained there is a 25% drop out rate and many who do qualify leave to follow other careers.
To the24 year old near the begining of the thread gird your loins because we are often vilified and disrespected more than we are praised.As the staff shortages increase and patients suffer we will no doubt be blamed then when people forget that for the first time in its 107 year history RCN nurses voted to strike,not just because of pay but for patient who are already not getting the care they need.
Nurses,to important to be allowed to strike but not enough to pay them for that work.

31 pages and the OP never even came back to justify the post? Why are people rising to this? Its clearly clickbait

People not voting for the strike action are voting for the the end of the nhs. Plain and simple.

Exactly this.

Alexandra2001
@ Clavinova does a great deal of harm to the Conservative cause, she or he is like an on-line version of Gillian Keegan, flashing her 10k watch whilst telling nurses that they use a food bank only when they get dumped .... or the boiler packs in........

Huh - what a cheek! You were the one flashing your £40k in premium bonds and your new car barely two weeks ago - typical lefty. I don't own a 10k watch and I don't regard myself as 'flashy' or boastful either. Admittedly we do pay school fees.
she or he
'She' as well you know.

Gillian Keegan was misquoted - what she actually said was "broken relationship" - not "dumped".

news.sky.com/story/many-nurses-using-food-banks-because-of-a-broken-relationship-or-boiler-education-secretary-gillian-keegan-says-12742397

FixundFoxi
She only ever seems to contribute to politics threads and is always an apologist for the government. Funny that.

Oh, I rarely talk politics in real life. Are keen Conservative voters not welcome on Mumsnet then? Even with the current dire polling, 30% of voters intend to vote Conservative at the next election.

vera99
Sadly, she didn't want facts

Full-time, qualified nurses relying on food banks (because of poor pay) is only anecdotal as far as I can see.

@Clavinova

keen Conservative voters

You'd think they'd be too embarrassed to post

Are you a nurse?

No?

Then shut the fuck up.

Walk a mile in their shoes. Most of us would not be here without nurses. They have been treated like shit by the Tories for years and taken it. Things must be pretty bad if they are striking. Either way it's not your place to judge. Support or disregard, but either way, you have no idea what those people are living with.

justonemire Are you a bit thick? Or just a Tory?

Over the past 10 years
MPs have had a 32% pay rise

Nurses / NHS staff have had a 20% pay cut

If nurses were paid at the same rate MPs are, there wouldn't be a nurses strike.

People not voting for the strike action are voting for the end of the nhs

Alexandra2001 - this is your area if I remember correctly;

Ballot figures from RCN members at RCHT obtained by CornwallLive show that 1,211 individuals were entitled to vote on the proposed industrial action. Of those, 658 cast their vote which included 604 nurses voting in favour of strike action - which was more than the 50 per cent required for industrial action to take place - and 54 voting against...

More than 45 per cent of those able to vote did not do so.

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/nurses-cornwall-vote-favour-strike-7804590

JelliedWheels
Are you a nurse?

Is this a public forum?

Clavinova does a great deal of harm to the Conservative cause, she or he is like an on-line version of Gillian Keegan, flashing her 10k watch whilst telling nurses that they use a food bank only when they get dumped .... or the boiler packs in........
Huh - what a cheek! You were the one flashing your £40k in premium bonds and your new car barely two weeks ago - typical lefty. I don't own a 10k watch and I don't regard myself as 'flashy' or boastful either. Admittedly we do pay school fees

@Clavinova

Again, my personal finances like my DD's, are fuck all to do with you.

I'd have a bit more tolerance for you if you ever could bring yourself to criticise the Tories, you never have..... you defended Johnson, silent on Truss, support Brexit..... despite the increasing evidence its harming the UK, with leading industrialists wanting SM membership.

Its good you prioritise your childrens education, nothing wrong with that, just as there is nothing wrong with anyone having some wealth, Left or Right.... its not a crime!

But what is a crime is rolling around with millions in the bank, being in power, yet looking down your snooty long nose at nurses but even worse, being happy for tax payers money to be spent on very high agency worker salaries.... which is what are doing the Tories.

....btw (& going against what i said earlier) i have never been able to afford even day private school fee's.... the small amount of money i have is as a result of my partners death, sometime ago & most of it used to support my DD who never knew her dad, so if you begrudge me that & a second hand car...., you can do one..