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3 Hour Blackouts

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pyjamafashionista · 03/11/2022 22:19

If they happen, they are saying they'll be planned between 4-7pm. Surely this is the most ridiculous time, when most people will still be at work/ travelling home/making tea etc.
Any genius thoughts to get through a 3 hour blackout besides blankets and 🕯
I feel really sad for vulnerable people on their own if it happens 😪

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Athenen0ctua · 05/11/2022 11:27

Damnautocorrect · 04/11/2022 22:21

The actual areas covered seem quite small. So there’s every chance the school will be in a different zone to home.
my guess is schools will shut for their 3 hours, but that’s a complete guess.

I don't know how the bus companies will be able to adapt to school hour changes?

Redlocks28 · 05/11/2022 11:31

Dustybarn · 05/11/2022 10:29

I live in South Africa and we have daily blackouts. Here are some of the things that make our lives easier: I work from home and have a UPS which keeps the WiFi going for 8 hours so no work interruptions and my laptop is always fully charged. We have a generator but we only use it at night - too much hassle in the day and it uses a lot of petrol. Look out for rechargeable lightbulbs - they replace your ordinary bulbs and charge automatically when the power is on. We have them in our bathroom, kitchen and bedside lamps. Of all our energy solutions they have been the best! We cook on gas and barbecue (even in midwinter). We use hot water bottles in winter (with water boiled on the gas stove) at bedtime. Many people have solar, generators or inverters, which look like a big battery on wheels (it charges from the mains when the power is on and can power a few devices at the same time). Inverters come in a variety of sizes and prices and can be used in apartments as they do not need to be outside like a generator which emits petrol fumes.

Can I ask what happens with schools in blackouts?

Dustybarn · 05/11/2022 11:41

@Redlocks28

Schools carry on as usual with the same hours. Private schools which are able to afford generators or solar solutions will use them but government schools carry on teaching without. But then our schools are not generally heated in Winter anyway and our daylight hours are longer than yours, so it is easier to carry on here.

Redlocks28 · 05/11/2022 11:46

Dustybarn · 05/11/2022 11:41

@Redlocks28

Schools carry on as usual with the same hours. Private schools which are able to afford generators or solar solutions will use them but government schools carry on teaching without. But then our schools are not generally heated in Winter anyway and our daylight hours are longer than yours, so it is easier to carry on here.

Ah, right-interesting. Some of our classrooms are really dark and don’t even have a chalkboard/whiteboard to teach from.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2022 12:52

Abraxan · 05/11/2022 10:13

So would it be rolling, as in a different day/time each week - or would we be stuck with the same day/time every week over a longer time period.

I'm group L, so two of our times are at the weekend, and one overnight.

Doesn't seem to be very fairly spaced out if it's the same ongoing. We'd have to deal with being at home for two of the times, over the weekend.

Now we'd manage but it doesn't seem very fairly worked out based in those grids.

People really need to get some perspective on this.

The Variable Rota Disconnection Plan (VRDP) looks like it's been in existence since 2013. It's not new at all. I think this of one of the biggest things to keep in mind.

Then the most likely scenario is that if we do have blackouts, they will be low level and short lived rather than prolonged - so a week, maybe two tops.

If we are looking at a longer time scale, then that's either looking like a failure of crisis management from when we hit crisis point or we've had some sort of critical infrastructure failure. And that begs much bigger questions about political failure and management - I don't think we are looking at this as the most probable situation, though its growing year on year as a risk.

The former scenario, would probably include significant calls for non mandatory voluntary cuts to electricity use and perhaps things like council led reduced street lighting in the run up to actual blackouts, because there would be some sort of projection of how things we looking for the weeks ahead. They won't let us run straight into blackouts without warning signs if they see the risk rising, unless it's a critical infrastructure failure led event.

As it stands the period there are fears about is roughly 1st December to mid April.

So I think if we have a very cold snap early on (what happens in Europe is also relevant here, but we aren't as exposed as other countries), that will raise fears about problems further down the line.

If its more mild, that perhaps will alleviate the fear and there will be rising optimism that we can ride it out until the spring.

I think we will be watching the weather very intently over the coming weeks and months.

At present the long range forecast for the UK until the 18th is for mild weather and mild nights (comparatively for the season). The forecast from the 19th to 3rd December, is looking more like seasonal average at present but obviously long range forecasts aren't the most reliable.

However this is an La Nina year which is causing concern though, as they usually bring an earlier cold period, and I think that's where a lot of concern is coming from atm.

Overall 3hrs is a relatively short period and it does mean that even in cold weather, you can make sure your house is prepared to cover the gap. You won't go from warm to freezing in 3hrs even in a drafty house. Most of the groups mean that you will be in bed for at least one of your outages meaning you only have to deal with 1 or 2 outages during working hours in a week (and many people will be in work during the daytime anyway - it's home workers who will have more issues. In theory many will have opportunity to contingency plan to be in another location in this scenario though.) Stuff like refridgation or freezing will be OK for 3 hours as long as you aren't sticking your head in the door every 5 mins as appliances have sufficient insulation for that long.

So realistically even if we do have outages they are likely to be an inconvenience that can be navigated rather a disaster. If you can't manage and plan a cold meal for one evening (or takeaway if you can afford) you really need a word with yourself as that's actually the day to day reality of many facing fuel poverty.

The people who are vulnerable to this are those with medical reliance on electronic equipment or the elderly from falls. Reasonably the former should have provisions in place for sudden power ages anyway (I believe its possible to apply for vulnerable status in this scenario and people are being encouraged to do so). The latter I think are the group that I worry about most tbh. Them and the Darwiners who insist on using camp stoves they don't know how to use, especially indoors, but you can't plan for idiocy anyway.

Geninuely I do think people are whipping themselves up into much more of a frenzy than they need to because they aren't thinking rationally and looking at the actual problem and how to deal with it. They are immediately jumping to the conclusion that it's going to be long power cuts, daily, for weeks on end. That doesn't reflect reality.

It is possible that something might really go amiss, but that's still an outlier and the concern in that situation is it would be harder to fix than previous years, which is the other side of the coin in terms of why they are taking it more seriously this year than previous. It doesn't mean they think it will, nor is it necessarily the area where they have the most concern.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2022 13:04

Indeed I think the timetable currently doing the rounds was first published in 2014.

Its not new. Its just someone decided to put it in the newspaper and scare the shit out of everyone.

silverclock222 · 05/11/2022 13:14

Meh, unless you are ill or elderly it's only 3 hours - if indeed it ever happens. If you had a 3 hour powercut during the night you probably wouldn't even know until you woke up. Fill a flask and a hot water bottle, go for a brisk walk then cosy in with a cuppa and your hot water bottle and either read by battery light or watch something already downloaded on your tablet. Even better, use the time to talk to each other?

Lex345 · 05/11/2022 15:09

Walkden · 05/11/2022 10:28

"From past experience this can be 30 minutes"

  1. Put a new battery in your alarm. Capacity falls over time.

  2. make sure the battery fitted is the maximum size possible.

3 In theory all alarms/bellboxes should go off after 15 minutes anyway and only leave the strobe on.

4 )I suppose you could attach fly leads to the battery in the alarm and hook it up to a car battery when the power goes out. They have a much bigger capacity so should run it for a few hours.

We have no idea how to change it, ots rechargeable so as soon as the power goes back on it auto recharges :/

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 05/11/2022 15:12

Redlocks28 · 05/11/2022 09:42

Surely, they would have to close?! If blackouts were during the school day, it would be very difficult keeping children on task and learning with no light, heating, computers or kitchen. At least at home, they can go and get back in bed to keep warm!

I'd be surprised if our school shut but knowing the head she'll just arrange something in the forest school for those days then electricity doesn't matter

Redlocks28 · 05/11/2022 15:25

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 05/11/2022 15:12

I'd be surprised if our school shut but knowing the head she'll just arrange something in the forest school for those days then electricity doesn't matter

Good idea! Not so easy to occupy a 600 pupils outside with no field though, sadly.

Interesting times!

MegGriffinshat · 05/11/2022 15:30

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 05/11/2022 15:12

I'd be surprised if our school shut but knowing the head she'll just arrange something in the forest school for those days then electricity doesn't matter

I’d have thought they would have to close too.

I posted further up about a time when my area lost power for a few hours. Started at 8am and by 8:30 the school was sending texts to say they couldn’t open due to lack of power for heating, lighting, kitchen, alarms etc.

Power came back on at 12pm and they still stayed shut all day.

I can’t see how schools could stay open without lighting and heat.

BorgQueen · 05/11/2022 16:22

I’ve always insisted on keeping my gas hob, I’d never want an all electric house - if we do start rolling blackouts then I’ll buy a gas fire, we had the gas pipe to the fireplace capped off about ten years ago but it’s still there, just needs a brick or two removing to get at it.
Disability groups are rightly furious that there are no plans forthcoming for what must be thousands of vulnerable people at home with breathing machines, hoists, stairlifts, ripple mattresses etc.

Chouetted · 05/11/2022 16:39

MegGriffinshat · 05/11/2022 15:30

I’d have thought they would have to close too.

I posted further up about a time when my area lost power for a few hours. Started at 8am and by 8:30 the school was sending texts to say they couldn’t open due to lack of power for heating, lighting, kitchen, alarms etc.

Power came back on at 12pm and they still stayed shut all day.

I can’t see how schools could stay open without lighting and heat.

Have things changed? When i was young, my school used to have semi-regular power cuts, and we all just grumbled and carried on. The worst thing was having to have bread and salad for lunch, and the eeery green glow of the emergency lighting in corridors.

Arayes · 05/11/2022 16:45

babynoname22 · 03/11/2022 22:50

Get ready how though? We are currently using oil filled heaters to keep costs down to not have heating on. They won't be able to be used. Bottles should be thrown after an hour. According to nhs website. DH works from home so does he just not get paid for those hours he can't work? What food keeps warm for three hours with no electricity? I just don't get it.

It's a fucking shit show. I had my first bay at the height of covid where everyone told me we were all going to die. Now my second baby has to to survive another chuffing crisis and be brought up in some Dickensian era.

FFS, dramatic much? No-one ever said we were all going to die (unless you surrounded yourself with utter loons), and the odd blackout isn't bring you back to Dickens, you're not going to sell the kids to chimney sweeps or send them out mudlarking.

BerriesOnTop · 05/11/2022 16:47

sst1234 · 05/11/2022 08:46

It’s not Germany or Putin’s fault that we will have power cuts. It out government fault. Putin didn’t t tell them to get rid of storage. Nor did he tell them to not build nuclear power.

Oh not absolving the UK at all—yes, they should have built a nuclear fleet when it was discussed ten years ago or so and they shouldn’t have banned fracking.

Damnautocorrect · 05/11/2022 16:56

Athenen0ctua · 05/11/2022 11:27

I don't know how the bus companies will be able to adapt to school hour changes?

in my area they’ve started putting battery packs next to traffic lights at big junctions. I’m assuming it’s in preparation.
that will affect how buses etc run.

again though, each area seems to be tiny so I can’t work out the logistics of it all

BorgQueen · 05/11/2022 16:58

Are people really so useless they can’t think how to warm up a baby’s bottle? Pre-make and refrigerate bottle / bottle of ready made, then stick it in a jug of hot water from a flask to warm up.

Damnautocorrect · 05/11/2022 17:03

i never warmed my children’s bottles. They had them at room temperature.

i know the advice has changed but it was boil kettle, leave for 20 mins, pour in sterilised bottles.

then when they needed milk, (x hours later) you just added the powder and shook.

is there a way you can make that fit into the new rules.

or just buy a couple of cartons of pre made

Damnautocorrect · 05/11/2022 17:04

BerriesOnTop · 05/11/2022 16:47

Oh not absolving the UK at all—yes, they should have built a nuclear fleet when it was discussed ten years ago or so and they shouldn’t have banned fracking.

Frackings a mental idea.
but Solar panels on every new build / anything requiring planning would have helped.

as would not privatising our energy supplies

Abraxan · 05/11/2022 17:21

RedToothBrush

I don't need perspective. I'm not overly concerned for myself and my household tbh.

I was simply commenting on fairness and equality of blackouts, but after saw it was rolling anyway. I was simply curious how it would work.

There are some more vulnerable people I know who I'd be more concerned for however.

And very curious to see how it could pan out for schools.

Nothing more.

Abraxan · 05/11/2022 17:25

Most of the groups mean that you will be in bed for at least one of your outages meaning you only have to deal with 1 or 2 outages during working hours in a week (and many people will be in work during the daytime anyway - it's home workers who will have more issues. In theory many will have opportunity to contingency plan to be in another location in this scenario though.)

And my query was regarding this.

You say most people would be dealing with 1-2 outages within working hours in the week.

Well no. As I said, the two planned ones on the proposed grid (from a few years back) both day time outages were not during normal working hours in the week. They were during the day, on a Saturday or Sunday.

Hence being curious as to whether it would be a rolling programme (it seems it would be) and if not, how the fairness and equality was worked out.

Again, still no panic or worry and no perspective required. Just a curious query.

Mañanarama · 05/11/2022 18:13

Yes @Abraxan , I’m in S which shows 4 outages - early hours Friday (fine, I’ll be asleep) then Sat pm, Sat evening, Sun pm. Would bugger up the weekend a bit!

RedRiverShore2 · 05/11/2022 18:19

Are you definitely in S, I thought I was and then realised I was looking in the wrong box on my bill and I was actually in U.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2022 18:20

BorgQueen · 05/11/2022 16:58

Are people really so useless they can’t think how to warm up a baby’s bottle? Pre-make and refrigerate bottle / bottle of ready made, then stick it in a jug of hot water from a flask to warm up.

The answer to that question which comments about dickensan era highlight, is yes people are ill equipped to use common sense and think about work around for 3 hrs.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2022 18:23

Abraxan · 05/11/2022 17:25

Most of the groups mean that you will be in bed for at least one of your outages meaning you only have to deal with 1 or 2 outages during working hours in a week (and many people will be in work during the daytime anyway - it's home workers who will have more issues. In theory many will have opportunity to contingency plan to be in another location in this scenario though.)

And my query was regarding this.

You say most people would be dealing with 1-2 outages within working hours in the week.

Well no. As I said, the two planned ones on the proposed grid (from a few years back) both day time outages were not during normal working hours in the week. They were during the day, on a Saturday or Sunday.

Hence being curious as to whether it would be a rolling programme (it seems it would be) and if not, how the fairness and equality was worked out.

Again, still no panic or worry and no perspective required. Just a curious query.

Yes it's a rolling timetable which changes week to week. However the likelihood of doing weeks upon weeks of rolling blackouts is extremely minimal.