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To wonder what the Masons actually do?

199 replies

Usererror1999 · 28/10/2022 22:31

I hear various ideas from “they go for piss ups and fancy dinners” to “ they are a shadowy organisation with bloodthirsty rituals”

but what, do they actually get up to? Anyone know?

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TheNosehasit · 29/10/2022 14:36

Hawkins001 · 29/10/2022 14:36

In that case and by that logic, all intelligence services should release all their files of all various historical events ect, to show the truth of what happened and e.g. The Vatican archives etc

Yes. Why not?

Hawkins001 · 29/10/2022 14:37

TheNosehasit · 29/10/2022 14:36

Yes. Why not?

Because most of the public, could not handle the truth,

TheNosehasit · 29/10/2022 14:38

Secrets are only required when the truth is shameful.

TheNosehasit · 29/10/2022 14:38

Hawkins001 · 29/10/2022 14:37

Because most of the public, could not handle the truth,

I'm pretty sure that I could.

Hawkins001 · 29/10/2022 14:40

TheNosehasit · 29/10/2022 14:38

Secrets are only required when the truth is shameful.

Not always, imagine e.g. Humans already know the real truth about e.g. Religions, know about previous society's, ect.

Sometimes lots of secrets are kept to preserve society as we know it, etc.
No point in risking a collapsed society.

Hawkins001 · 29/10/2022 14:42

Basically, we need secrets, lies, mis truths, mis direction, ect,

Hobbi · 29/10/2022 15:10

QuiltedHippo · 29/10/2022 00:55

When people talk about their charity work, what do they mean? Do members have to donate? Do they get their business contacts to? Is it just a handy cover up line?

Most Lodges require a minimum yearly donation, collect in weekly meetings and have a higher status collection on main lodge nights. They also run events such as golf days with proceeds going to charity. I hope those saying the charity element is minimal make contributions on a more regular basis than this. The official line is that the organisation has secrets but is private more than secretive. The comparison to the WI is interesting as Freemasonry forbids the discussion of politics and has actively been seeking a more diverse membership for years. Not sure the WI can claim the same. It was used by corrupt factions to cover their activities in the past but are very sensitive to that these days and will quickly get rid of members who let themselves down. The rituals are ridiculous in the same way that religious ritual is ridiculous. If anyone is interested in what happens, the information is available online if you want to read the reports of those who can't keep a promise. My husband was one and left because it was a bit daft but made some good friends and also met some idiots - similar to if he'd joined a running club or stamp collecting society.

Hobbi · 29/10/2022 15:17

Piggywaspushed · 29/10/2022 06:21

Anyone who think the Masons are harmless didn't grow up in Glasgow!

Orange Order activity has no relationship to English masonry.

Hobbi · 29/10/2022 15:29

crostina1 · 29/10/2022 01:53

Back before I met DH I used to go out with a Jehovah’s Witness bloke (long, messy story!) and he HATED them. I mentioned once in casual conversation that my dad’s mate was one and my boyfriend went visibly cold. JW’s and other religious folk believe they are Satan Worshippers.

In a choice between Masonic nonsense and that spouted by Jehovah's Witnesses, I'd take the Masons every day.

Whatsleftnow · 29/10/2022 15:30

Whenever I hear the phrase “do loads for charity” my spidey senses tingle.

JanglyBeads · 29/10/2022 15:37

TheNosehasit · 29/10/2022 14:38

Secrets are only required when the truth is shameful.

I agree but would add "...or when the truth would lead to a substantial loss of power for those who hold it."

Hobbi · 29/10/2022 15:38

JanglyBeads · 29/10/2022 09:40

Are the fictional Stonecutters based on the Freemasons?

My husband's Masonic friends jokingly referred to themselves as Stonecutters, which is a pastiche of American Masonry and Mason type clubs. It's not the same as English Masonry.

Hobbi · 29/10/2022 15:40

SezFrankly · 29/10/2022 10:20

There’s a lot of imaginary nonsense being posted as fact on here 😂😂

Correct.

BigFatLiar · 29/10/2022 15:48

JanglyBeads · 29/10/2022 15:37

I agree but would add "...or when the truth would lead to a substantial loss of power for those who hold it."

Problem is when the truth is boring so you keep believing the myths because they're much more interesting.

Croque · 29/10/2022 15:49

I was born into it - both my parents come from masonic families but from different factions. I don't know much about my father's lodge but my maternal grandfather's lodge had a strong family leaning and I was there every week throughout my childhood at family events.

My OH is a (highest) ranking freemason (unrelated to the two lodges mentioned). He belongs to a profession in which it is impossible to reach that level of seniority without achieving it in a parallel context. It is about implicit trust (and good food and wine!).

Growing up, I saw a few things I would prefer to forget but it was mainly all about improving the world through improving your lot and giving back/acting responsibly for the greater good. I sometimes wonder about the lodge on my mum's side of the family. I consider going back just to see if it is as I remember and whether they still commission those wonderful professional showstopper cakes .on Sundays.

JanglyBeads · 29/10/2022 16:11

A few things I would prefer to forget???

roarfeckingroarr · 29/10/2022 16:38

My father is a free mason, fairly senior in so far as he has grand rank. I've grown up around them and many of my male friends are masons.

I don't consider it in any way sinister. They enjoy a piss up with friends. The ritual and aprons add some ceremony. It's a great way to network. The masons give a phenomenal amount to charity.

roarfeckingroarr · 29/10/2022 16:44

polkadotdasies88 · 28/10/2022 23:14

My Dad is a Mason, has been all my life (I'm 35) now I'm older my husband and I have been invited to Ladies nights and been given a tour of the masonic temple. It is all very ritual heavy but mainly it's about networking and meeting like-minded people. The waitressing staff at my Dad's lodge are incredibly valued. At every event a jug is passed around and all the masons fill it with notes to tip the staff. You're talking at least a few hundred pounds tip per event. Charity is incredibly important to them & they look after each other outside of meetings. My now elderly Dad was diagnosed with skin cancer earlier this year, one of his fellow members who was a Dr checked up on him every step of the way.

This sounds very familiar to me.

Great loyalty and kindness towards local catering businesses in my dad's main lodge's case.

They look after widows and children of deceased masons.

My mum was very supportive. A harmless and very charitable boys club,

roarfeckingroarr · 29/10/2022 16:48

Mischance · 28/10/2022 23:17

They make sure their mates get the best jobs.

Isn't that standard life? The whole point of building a professional network?

TheNosehasit · 29/10/2022 17:04

JanglyBeads · 29/10/2022 15:37

I agree but would add "...or when the truth would lead to a substantial loss of power for those who hold it."

Spot on.

TheNosehasit · 29/10/2022 17:06

Hawkins001 · 29/10/2022 14:42

Basically, we need secrets, lies, mis truths, mis direction, ect,

Who decided that?

Nanny0gg · 29/10/2022 17:06

Usererror1999 · 28/10/2022 22:31

I hear various ideas from “they go for piss ups and fancy dinners” to “ they are a shadowy organisation with bloodthirsty rituals”

but what, do they actually get up to? Anyone know?

There have been a fair few tv programmes and there's info on line.

avocadotofu · 29/10/2022 17:08

My grandad was one and it just seemed like lots of men hung out and did charity things.

Croque · 29/10/2022 17:08

I would not have it any other way. I have personally benefitted many times from the generosity. I know that my DCs have missed out on certain advantages through not being immersed in the scene. I have always been in two minds about whether to allow DS to access it because once they are in they are in!

Nanny0gg · 29/10/2022 17:09

Hobbi · 29/10/2022 15:10

Most Lodges require a minimum yearly donation, collect in weekly meetings and have a higher status collection on main lodge nights. They also run events such as golf days with proceeds going to charity. I hope those saying the charity element is minimal make contributions on a more regular basis than this. The official line is that the organisation has secrets but is private more than secretive. The comparison to the WI is interesting as Freemasonry forbids the discussion of politics and has actively been seeking a more diverse membership for years. Not sure the WI can claim the same. It was used by corrupt factions to cover their activities in the past but are very sensitive to that these days and will quickly get rid of members who let themselves down. The rituals are ridiculous in the same way that religious ritual is ridiculous. If anyone is interested in what happens, the information is available online if you want to read the reports of those who can't keep a promise. My husband was one and left because it was a bit daft but made some good friends and also met some idiots - similar to if he'd joined a running club or stamp collecting society.

The WI is not party political at all.

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