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TROUBLE STEP-SON

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Pingedoff · 27/10/2022 22:33

Hi, I'm new here and a bit nervous!!
I'm a Mum to F25, M26, F30, SD16 & SS17.5
Step-Son 17.5 is a trouble child. For years he was physical & mentally abusive towards his sister. I put a stop to it when I came into their lives when he was 7. It didn't stop him. Fast forward to now and we live with a complete monster. He steals, lies, yells and swears at all of us.

This week I had his 14yo girlfriend's Mum come to our home and abuse me because SS17.5 wouldn't leave her alone. He has been told by the girls Mum to stay away as 14yo is way too young for SS17.5.
As a background I was never in support of this relationship - but nobody listened to me. SS has no respect for women and has, in the past, been a domineering partner and been dumped more times than my rubbish bin.
The Mother has gone to the police for = well you can imagine.
AIBU for now putting in strict rules for the house. Those being - no g/f or b/f to come to our home UNTIL we meet their parents and make sure they are on board with the relationship. SS17.5 is on his learner's license and as I have the only automatic car in the house - I have banned him from doing any lessons in my car. When he yelled at me to STFU you ft B**h why not - my response was very cool and calm - I said when you can learn to face the consequences of your actions and start acting like the adult that you think you are we'll re-think all of this.

SS17.5 says that I don't get a say to what rules he should be forced to live under and that my "job" in the house is to shut up do the cooking and cleaning.
AIBU for putting strict rules and punishments in this house? (SS17.5 only chore is to wash up every second night and unload a dishwasher every second day)

OP posts:
DashboardConfessional · 27/10/2022 22:38

You've not mentioned his actual father once. Why isn't he doing the disciplining?

If he's physically abusive to his sister and has been for 10 years, kick him out.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 27/10/2022 22:41

Where’s his father and mother in all of this?

Pingedoff · 27/10/2022 22:50

His Mum passed away when he was very young and his Dad and I are on the same page with everything I originally posted above. Dad won't kick him out because he has nowhere to go. He doesn't have a Mum and his family live over 3000klms away. SS17.5 doesn't respect anyone in the house. He is nicer to his Dad and makes sure to abuse everyone else when Dad is away. We have just put in CCTV and have several phone recordings of his temper tantrums.

OP posts:
TabithaTittlemouse · 27/10/2022 23:06

Hopefully he will get in trouble with the police. It might actually help him.

He sounds awful.

I wouldn’t be cooking or cleaning for him. Why does he have so little responsibility at his age?

Does he have a job?

Cw112 · 27/10/2022 23:12

I am questioning a few things ... his aggression from what you've said seems to be very much directed towards women which is making me wonder if its misplaced anger that his mum left him (by passing away so young) or if he's seeing women being undermined/disrespected and in stereotypical roles somewhere else and he's accepting that as the way it's supposed to be. It sounds like your husband needs to be the one to step up here, to model really good behaviours to the females in your household and to challenge him when he says or does disrespectful things. If he's still physically abusive towards the other children in your home then you also have an obligation to keep them safe so you may need to call in other supports here. I'd sit him down and tell him that the behaviour can't continue if he's to keep living there. Give him a really clear list of boundaries and if he breaks them then I'd be contacting social services. At his age its unlikely they'll take him into statutory care but they would have to provide suitable accommodation until he's 18. There are supported accommodation for young people in exactly his shoes where he'd get support workers etc to help him get onto a better track. When he turns 18 he's an adult and your other option will be a hostel so I'd say you have a window here and I'd recommend you use it.

Bananarama21 · 27/10/2022 23:13

His father needs to stop working away and parent him. Grim he has a 14 year old gf.

TerfQueen · 27/10/2022 23:15

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Stripedbag101 · 27/10/2022 23:45

You said you put a stop to the abuse of his sister - but you clearly didn’t as you then said it continued.

what has been done to protect his sister? I assume there has been a lot of therapy? Is his sister safe in your home? Are any women and girls safe around him?

he is nearly 18 - I would tell him to leave. You and your husbands priority should be keeping your 16 year old step daughter safe.

PuntasticUsername · 27/10/2022 23:52

So he lost his mum when he was very young, you arrived to replace her and labelled him "a trouble child", you inflict punishments that bear no relation to what he's done wrong (3.5 years age gap isn't dreadful - though if she wanted out of the relationship and he wouldn't leave her alone, that's wrong) and you wonder why he behaves the way he does?

Yabu. He sounds awful, but he also sounds traumatised from his difficult start in life.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but it's what leaps out at me from what you've said. I'm sure there's a lot you haven't said though!

Pingedoff · 28/10/2022 01:01

JOB:

SS17.5 did have a job - he wanted to quit school and work. His Dad agreed as long as the job was not a highschool/part time thing. Giving credit where credit is due - SS17.5 was amazing at his job - but after 5ish weeks started to fall asleep while on the computer - taking a dozen 10 minute smoke breaks and seemed to lose interest.

I think it lasted about 7 weeks - then he quit and is currently back in a different school and has had to start year 11 again.

COOKING/CLEANING:

I cook for everyone and won't stop cooking for him. He gets told every night what is for dinner and he helps himself to however much he feels like eating.

The cleaning thing is a bit harder because 3 people use the bathroom - so I can't make him clean it when there are 2 others that use it.

HIS MUM:

I agree that his aggression and hate towards women has most likely stemmed from losing his Mum at such a young age.

When the aggression and violence got to a really bad level we went to a doctor and got a referral for a pediatrician. He was put on anti-depressants and he had over 2 years of counselling. The anti-depressants didn't really make a difference - after 1 day he said he was already feeling happier - he would take them as we gave them to him and other times refused to take them - so his Dad went back to the doctor and the doctor advised to stop the medication. The counsellor said that she couldn't see that anything was wrong with him - he spoke about his Mum with love - he spoke about hating his sister because she sits beside his Dad - he spoke about my children and how funny they are and he liked that they brought him is favourite lollies, he did talk about me and said he didn't like me sitting near his Dad or coming with them to do fun things. So I changed a lot of things from this - we sat Dad in the middle with a child each side. I sat on the other end of the couch (it's a 10 seater u shaped lounge) and if we were planning a fun day out I asked the kids if they felt like a day out just with Dad. I told them that it was ok if they did and that I think it's awesome that kids want to hang with their parents.

We've tried to get him to see a Psychologist and/or Psychiatrist for about 31/2 to 4 years (SS had counselling when he was 12/13) and we've addressed it by saying that he can say and talk about whatever he wants and it might be easier because it's a stranger and it's 100% confidential. He doesn't think he has a problem and isn't interested in talking to anyone.

AGGRESSION/VIOLENCE/TEMPER

When I came on the scene the step-kids were little and things changed dramatically for them - they had already been through one of the worst things that life would throw at them.

The first time I met the kids we went for a walk and the kids rode their bikes. They wanted to show me their Mums gravesite and asked if I would put some flowers on it. So we picked some wildflowers and went to the cemetary.

On the way home some magpies were swooping and diving - as they do. My step-daughter was riding in front fast and the magpie was swooping my step-son. He was yelling and abusing his sister for riding in front. When we got back to the house he kicked her bike over then pushed her over for not getting swooped.

I'm not a big believer in smacking - I'm a huge believer in learning through respect and the adage in our house when my children were little was if you don't like someone doing it or saying it to you don't do or say it to anyone else.

SS17.5 would do and say nasty things to his sister - sort of out of the blue. They would be playing really nicely - then he would just snap. For instance - as we were getting on a cruise ship for a 4 day cruise he told his sister I wish you didn't exist. The lady booking us in said that's not a nice thing to say and he said I'm going to throw her over the side of the boat. He didn't and he had a fantastic time. Made lots of friends and was a happy chappy. Another time we were out walking collecting pine cones. It was all going well and then he swung his bag with the pine cones in it and smacked it across her face. His Dad asked him why he did that and he said because she's ugly. When his Dad said how would you feel if that was done to you his answer was but I'm not ugly - neither of them are ugly children - they are both incredibly beautiful. His Dad took all his electronic stuff off him for a month. We had friends and their children over to visit and it was the start of summer and they were all thinking of going in the pool. The water was freezing. My step-daughter was kneeling on the side of the pool and our visitors son's were standing on the steps. My step-son walked behind his sister and kicked her in the back to push her in the pool. They both got the same Nintendo game. SS wanted this particular toy and his Dad said if you want it you can do jobs to earn pocket money to buy it - instead of doing that he stole his sister's Nintendo game, took it to school and swapped it with another child for the toy he wanted - turns out he saw the same boy play with the toy the day before. When he was caught he said that his sister said he could. When the Dad brought her in to ask her she said I said you could play mine because you lost yours not swap it. He didn't lose his he just wanted this particular toy.

OUTSIDE INFLUENCES:

SS17.5 was always treated differently by his paternal family. He was the favourite. I believe that this has caused a lot of problems from the time he was a little boy too. For instance - he would get 10 icecreams and she would get 4. If he broke a toy - they'd buy him a new one. If she broke a toy - too bad. To the point that 2 years ago when they went and visited their grandparents, the grandparents bullied the girl into giving the boy some money. She works and at that time he didn't. My SD will no longer go to see her paternal grandparents if her brother will be there

PROTECTION:

My step-daughter has a lock on her bedroom door and we have noticed certain patterns to SS's moods. She keeps it locked and he knocks when he wants to talk to her.

The last time he physically abused her - his Dad put him in the car and went to the Police station and had a talk to the Police about how far physical abuse can go when it's taken to Court - since then he's not laid a finger on her.

Unfortunately SS has no friends and nobody at his school likes him. He did have 2 friends from primary school that were good buddies but he stole from them and now they have nothing to do with him.

When his Dad asked him if he understands why people don't talk to him and why they stopped being friends with him his response was that everyone is out to get him and it's not his fault.

REPLACING HIS MUM

From the start the kids asked me if they could call me Mum - my partner and I had already talked about it and I made sure that he would be ok with it - I told them that they could if they wanted to. I gave them the same son and daughter gifts that I had given to my children when they were young.

It was fine with them calling me Mum until the maternal grandparents kicked up a stink about it - not to my partner or me - but to the kids.

From that moment on they just called me by my name.

The maternal grandparents, unfortunately, also told them that they never have to listen or do anything I told them.

I don't know if this has anything to do with SS and his attitude. I don't think it would have helped.

PUNISHMENTS FROM ME - THE STEP-MUM

I've never punished either of the SK's. I leave that up to the Father.

The 14yo girlfriend's Mum came to our house and I was the one at home (I work from home) and I'm the one that was abused and pushed over. I wasn't expecting it at all - especially being pushed over like I was 5.

She had gotten hold of all the text messages, taken them to her doctor, she was then referred to a child therapist who read the messages and stated that this male is grooming the 14yo and using coercive control over her. The mother had then told him directly to stay away from her. He then told us that she was a junkie and a drunk who abused the 14yo and wasn't fit to be a parent.

I had a very long chat with the mother (after she calmed down). I told her that SS had advised us that at the beginning of the relationship she was 15 just about to turn 16. We had no idea that she was so young.

After the 14yo Mother went to the Police she was told that there was nothing they could do about the grooming or coercive control and the only thing that would change their stance is if the SS had sex with the 14yo.

SS's Dad had told him what happened with the 14yo's Mother coming to our home and abusing me and pushing me over (I suffer from debilitating Ankylosing Spondylitis - google it it's not fun) and how she was going to the Police and he was to have nothing to do with her. He lasted 3 hours before he was on the phone to her.

Fast forward 2 days - once he was told that the Police couldn't do anything - he said to his Dad - I'm in the clear there's nothing they can do - sux to them. His Dad asked him if he was sorry or disappointed in anyway and he's answer was I've got nothing to be sorry for. Why should I be sorry. Her Mother should be apologising to me for causing shit.

When SS asked me if he could use my car for a driving lesson, we had a bit of a chat about him taking responsibility for his actions and apologising where he should. I told him that his comments about his g/fs Mum were out of line and very rude. I explained to him that he isn't a parent and it's not that easy. I told him that the Mother had asked him - several times - to stay away and that she wasn't supportive of the relationship. His attitude was it had nothing to do with his g/f's Mother and she has no right to interfere in his relationship.

I told him that he needs to think about how that Mother is feeling and until he apologises for his actions he can't drive my car. What I didn't put in the original post is that he has taken my car on several occasions while he is on his learners and driven around the estate that we live in for practice.

I could also put in a category for stealing, drugs, alcohol, smoking, vaping and vandal.

I apologise for the long post reply.

OP posts:
Isithotinhere · 28/10/2022 02:22

So sorry you're going through this - you sound like a great step-mum. I feel so sorry for your stepdaughter- my brother was an awful bully and we're totally NC now in adulthood, but it's a terrible way to grow up as you don't feel safe or valued in your own home.

I think he needs to go for your stepdaughters sake - and your and your husbands too and that poor 14 year old girl friend, what a shit relationship to be in so young.

Can he go to maternal or parental grandparents? They will of course blame you, but your husband can tell them he wants to get him away from local bad influences. Hopefully he'll finish up school that way and move on with his own life.

A friend of mine had to tell her son to live with his dad full time as he was acting like this and it wasn't safe for her younger kids - dropped out of school at 16, dropped out of an apprenticeship, he had his druggie friends coming round when his mum was out but younger teens at home, then the drug debt collectors threatening his mum. It was an incredibly hard thing for her to do, but she had to put the other kids, and her own safety first. His dad is pretty useless but at least my friend can sleep at night.

I hope you can get him out of the family home, you're not being an unkind or selfish stepmother, the advice would be the same if it was your son. It's very sad that he's refused counselling and other supports, maybe when he's older he might cop on a bit, but for now you can't meet his needs so time for grandparents to step up.

PuntasticUsername · 28/10/2022 09:06

Dear me. It all sounds dreadful (and the grandparents very unhelpful).

I don't know what's best for you to do now, I'm sorry. I stand by my original view that he remains traumatised from his early losses (and from gp playing favourites stupidly from the sounds of it) and needs the right kind of help - which may now be impossible to find, given how long he's gone on like this. I agree you have to protect your stepdaughter and other women and girls from his unacceptable behaviour. Credit to you for still caring about him enough to try and help him!

Hercules12 · 28/10/2022 09:10

I voted yabu purely because I think you need to walk away from the whole situation for the sake of yourself and your own kids.

BMW6 · 28/10/2022 09:21

I think he needs to shape up or ship out frankly. Any chance he would join the Armed Forces?

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 09:24

OP - you might get better answers in the teenager or step-parenting parts of the site?

AIBU can be "robust", especially where step-mothers are concerned.

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 09:25

I think he needs to shape up or ship out frankly. Any chance he would join the Armed Forces?

people have to stop trying to shove troubled teens on the armed forces. They are not borstal or support workers.

SuspiciousHedgehog · 28/10/2022 09:27

'trouble child'

Poor kid.

Once you characterise a child in this way, you've alienated them and they are never going to co-operate.

I have only ever heard narcissistic people describe children in this way

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 09:33

I have only ever heard narcissistic people describe children in this way

have you read what he does? he is a bully. He probably needs a lot of therapy but given OPs description of how his GP treat him it isn't suprising that he has developed a massive superiority complex.

IMO? OPs DH needs to be home and not work away. and to be frank? OP needs to walk away too.

SuspiciousHedgehog · 28/10/2022 09:35

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 09:33

I have only ever heard narcissistic people describe children in this way

have you read what he does? he is a bully. He probably needs a lot of therapy but given OPs description of how his GP treat him it isn't suprising that he has developed a massive superiority complex.

IMO? OPs DH needs to be home and not work away. and to be frank? OP needs to walk away too.

In which case, he's a troubled child, not a trouble child.

Perhaps he is kicking back against the narcissistic family.

We only have stepmums side here, scaoegoating him.

WahineToa · 28/10/2022 09:54

This sounds so hard, sorry you’re going through it.
My DH and his sis lost their mum young, father remarried quickly and announced this was their new Mum, referred to their Mum only by name thereafter. My DH was not violent or mean to anyone else, he internalised his frustrations and confusions instead. He now has nothing to do with any of his family.

Im going to ask, not to blame but to help you look at what might have caused this… How long after his mother died did you come on the scene? Did they have grief counselling? Were you their main carer? Did you never have a good relationship with their mothers family? In honesty, do you think you’ve had a different/closer relationship to your SD?
Their father, how involved has he been in their childhood? Does he still talk about their mother? Freely and happily? Does your SD? Does your SD look like their mother? Is your DH loving and kind, or more serious and stand-offish than you? Is your relationship loving and kind, is there yelling or anything intense between you?

I think it was a mistake for them to call you Mum at all, and I can see why they corrected it. You can’t pretend in any way that their mother is replaceable, it can trigger very confused feelings and hurt. My DH feels it affected his memories and connection to his mother. So that’s something to think about. I would ask your DH to think hard about life around the mothers death, was she ill for long? Did something happen at any point, an event or response to one, that DH or yourself have minimised or not thought about? For my DH, it’s that he couldn’t call his Mum, Mum, and the quickness of his father moving on. Feelings she was erased, he was different etc It’s affected how he connects to everyone and his fear of actually connecting to others at all.

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 09:59

Perhaps he is kicking back against the narcissistic family.
We only have stepmums side here, scaoegoating him.

yeah. No. That is true of evey single post in here: they put their side we give them our feedback. That is how a forum works. So we have to, in the famous words, "believe her".

Based on the OP: he is an absolute train wrek of a brother and son and boyfriend and he urgently needs help.

SuspiciousHedgehog · 28/10/2022 10:01

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 09:59

Perhaps he is kicking back against the narcissistic family.
We only have stepmums side here, scaoegoating him.

yeah. No. That is true of evey single post in here: they put their side we give them our feedback. That is how a forum works. So we have to, in the famous words, "believe her".

Based on the OP: he is an absolute train wrek of a brother and son and boyfriend and he urgently needs help.

'believe her'

She isn't claiming rape.

She's telling us about her scapegoating of him. She expects him to call her mum 😭

For me, a child's needs trump a woman's

RedHelenB · 28/10/2022 10:03

Hercules12 · 28/10/2022 09:10

I voted yabu purely because I think you need to walk away from the whole situation for the sake of yourself and your own kids.

Her own kids are adults now.
Why on earth the sks were asked to call you mum I've no idea. It comes across as though you took against him from day 1 due to his behaviour towards his sister. How much of a gap was there between their mother's death and you and your children appearing on the scene?

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 10:09

She's telling us about her scapegoating of him. She expects him to call her mum

selective understanding is a pain in the arse.

They asked her when they were small if they could call her mum. This seems quite normal. When their GPs objected they called her by her name. There is nothing from OP to suggest that she a) didn't want this or b) complained and asked them to call her mum.

"believe her" doesn't just apply to rape. She is describing a situation and asking for help/advice. That advice boils down to largely either: leave or get him help urgently.

Also he has been pestering his gf so much that her mother got involved. How about we "believe her" (the gf?)

You obviously have issues of your own and are projecting.

SuspiciousHedgehog · 28/10/2022 10:31

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 10:09

She's telling us about her scapegoating of him. She expects him to call her mum

selective understanding is a pain in the arse.

They asked her when they were small if they could call her mum. This seems quite normal. When their GPs objected they called her by her name. There is nothing from OP to suggest that she a) didn't want this or b) complained and asked them to call her mum.

"believe her" doesn't just apply to rape. She is describing a situation and asking for help/advice. That advice boils down to largely either: leave or get him help urgently.

Also he has been pestering his gf so much that her mother got involved. How about we "believe her" (the gf?)

You obviously have issues of your own and are projecting.

This poor lad has lost his mother and been expected to slot neatly into a new family and call the step parent Mum.

Nobody in his new family seems to have much empathy for the lad, and neither do you.

I hope OP is taking all comments on board, she did ask in AIBU