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He shouldn't have added my name to complaint

119 replies

Auntieobem · 27/10/2022 18:59

Without at least letting me proof read it?? DP has submitted a complaint re some research conducted at dd's school. I was annoyed about the issue too, but he didn't tell me he'd submitted a formal complaint until after he'd put it in. Despite having a work colleague proof read it the letter he's submitted is full of grammatical mistakes and just reads like a rant.

He says he added my name because colleague told him it was better if it came from both of us. He doesn't think he's been unreasonable at all.

So

YABU - DP was just going what he thought was right

YANBU - DP shouldn't have sent it without checking with me first

OP posts:
cansu · 27/10/2022 23:52

Ah thanks I appreciate it. Have a lovely evening too. I will definitely make sure I read rtft carefully and ensure I completely agree with the OP before posting. Cheers.

FurAndFeathers · 27/10/2022 23:55

cansu · 27/10/2022 23:52

Ah thanks I appreciate it. Have a lovely evening too. I will definitely make sure I read rtft carefully and ensure I completely agree with the OP before posting. Cheers.

Yep give it a thorough read - especially as you seem to struggle with comprehension 😆

KettrickenSmiled · 27/10/2022 23:58

FurAndFeathers · 27/10/2022 23:47

Apology accepted.
FWIW no one expects you to be an expert on anything - that’s not a pre-requisite for decency.

I guess i just think it’s basic decency to bother to rtft before you start slagging off the OP for a perfectly reasonable course of action (that she didn’t ask for opinions on)

up to you of course - you’re perfectly entitled to jump in and slag folk off on subjects that you clearly have no knowledge of.

and I’m perfectly entitled to judge you for being unkind. Have a lovely evening 😊

Ah. @FurAndFeathers ... the irony is strong in you ...

All this talk about basic decency & slag folk off.
Something YOU'D never sink to, huh?

You're either totally unaware of your own double standards, or you're having a laugh.

KettrickenSmiled · 27/10/2022 23:59

Yep give it a thorough read - especially as you seem to struggle with comprehension 😆

Remind us all what you were saying about unkindness @FurAndFeathers ...
Or is that, too. only for other people, & not your gracious self?

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 00:05

KettrickenSmiled · 27/10/2022 23:58

Ah. @FurAndFeathers ... the irony is strong in you ...

All this talk about basic decency & slag folk off.
Something YOU'D never sink to, huh?

You're either totally unaware of your own double standards, or you're having a laugh.

Where on this thread have I slagged anyone off for perfectly reasonable behaviour @KettrickenSmiled ?

please do point it out.

I’ve definitely challenged posters who are factually wrong about the need for informed consent or who have called the OP names for her perfectly reasonable actions or who have deliberately twisted my words. I’m pretty comfortable with that.

KettrickenSmiled · 28/10/2022 00:08

I'm not interested in your comfort levels @FurAndFeathers, or in wasting time presenting facts to you which you will dismiss because you believe that the rules you apply do other do not apply to you.

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 00:13

KettrickenSmiled · 27/10/2022 23:59

Yep give it a thorough read - especially as you seem to struggle with comprehension 😆

Remind us all what you were saying about unkindness @FurAndFeathers ...
Or is that, too. only for other people, & not your gracious self?

Well considering no one has suggested that folk must ensure I completely agree with the OP before posting
i’d say that’s reasonable advice 🤷‍♀️
no idea where the PP got that from.

NicolaSixSix · 28/10/2022 00:14

Auntieobem · 27/10/2022 19:06

I'm not going to ask for complaint to be withdrawn or submit a separate one. That just makes us look daft.

It was a health and wellbeing survey - issues re consent, ethics approval, content of survey, voluntary nature not explained to children etc.

@Auntieobem do report it to the ethics committee of the university too

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 00:15

KettrickenSmiled · 28/10/2022 00:08

I'm not interested in your comfort levels @FurAndFeathers, or in wasting time presenting facts to you which you will dismiss because you believe that the rules you apply do other do not apply to you.

For someone with such little interest in me you sure are keen to tag me in conversation.

odd.

Mybestyear · 28/10/2022 00:19

Auntieobem · 27/10/2022 21:17

@donttellmehesalive you'd think so wouldn't you? DP used to chair an ethics committee in a past job. I've had involvement in research ethics.

YANBU. How ironic that your DP chaired an ethics committee but acted unethically by signing on behalf of f someone else. He might want to reflect on his own poor behaviour!!

Isthisexpected · 28/10/2022 00:19

Good intentions are no excuse for bad/ potentially dangerous practice.

^ especially asking about wellbeing with no plans in place to flag up to parents it might highlight some difficult feelings for their kids and what support is on offer if so.

NicolaSixSix · 28/10/2022 00:22

FurAndFeathers · 27/10/2022 22:04

you REALLY don’t understand how research ethics work to safeguard vulnerable populations do you? 😂

nope they don’t!

Randlehandle · 28/10/2022 02:53

FurAndFeathers · 27/10/2022 23:55

Yep give it a thorough read - especially as you seem to struggle with comprehension 😆

You seem to struggle with anybody's opinion, that doesn't accord with your own. The OP asked if they were being unreasonable to be annoyed with their partner's way of going about the complaint. You seem more interested in barging your way through other people's responses.

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 03:06

Randlehandle · 28/10/2022 02:53

You seem to struggle with anybody's opinion, that doesn't accord with your own. The OP asked if they were being unreasonable to be annoyed with their partner's way of going about the complaint. You seem more interested in barging your way through other people's responses.

Yep I’m very aware of what the OP asked for and if you rtft you’ll see I’ve responded to her question. What she didn’t ask for was for a commentary on whether her actions were ‘ridiculous’ or not. But you don’t seem to be berating those posters…

you may think it’s totally fine for posters to call her ridiculous for her perfectly reasonable course of action. I don’t. Its not a ‘struggle’ - it’s basic decency.

you may also be happy for folk to spread misinformation about important safeguarding and ethics issues such as consent. I don’t really care if you consider correcting misinformation to be ‘barging through other people’s responses’.

When folk spout nonsense and call other posters names for perfectly reasonable actions I don’t think it’s unreasonable to correct them.
you appear to disagree 🤷‍♀️

donttellmehesalive · 28/10/2022 05:37

I don't think op's dh was reasonable to write a ranty complaint without fact-checking first, or to include his wife's name without her consent.

I deal with quite a lot of ranty complaints from parents myself and about 80% are misinformed by their child (sometimes intentionally, sometimes unintentionally), have missed or forgotten a communication, or have misunderstood/don't know the full facts of a situation.

I always wonder why they don't have a discussion or ask a few questions before tying us all up in a time-consuming, unnecessary official complaint that very often leaves them apologetic and a bit embarrassed.

OP may be entirely justified in her complaint but I was wondering and have asked which research protocols were not followed and how op knows they weren't followed.

Even if the school and university are at fault - let's say their ethics protocols say they will ask parents for consent if the pupil is under 12 but they didn't do this - then there is a way of raising this human error in a way that is professional and constructive rather than ranty.

And, as the former chair of an ethics committee, it is odd that op's dd wasn't able to draft an appropriate letter and had to ask a colleague to proof-read, and take guidance from that same colleague on whether to include his wife's name or not, and didn't at any time question the ethics of doing so without asking her first.

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 28/10/2022 06:06

Discovereads · 27/10/2022 22:01

Despite having a work colleague proof read it the letter he's submitted is full of grammatical mistakes and just reads like a rant.

So long as the content is ok, I would not criticise my DH for poor grammar as he took the initiative, wrote and filed the complaint on our behalf. I’d be like, great, thanks for getting that submitted. Glad you’re on top of it.

Your sentence above isn’t grammatically correct either btw.

But anyway, nitpicking what a partner does often leads to them checking out and leaving all this stuff to you to do. Next thing you know you’ll be on here wondering why your DH has stopped doing this sort of mental load and dealing with the schools headaches.

That sentence is perfectly grammatically correct, unless you take issue with "proof read" (and compound words like that are always a bit divisive — it's attested in OED as proofread, proof-read and proof read). It might be easier to read and parse with a comma added after the "it", but it's not actually incorrect without it.

Besides which, who applies the same standards to conversational posts on a forum as they do to formal correspondence?

rwalker · 28/10/2022 08:06

FurAndFeathers · 27/10/2022 21:33

Really? You’re happy from strangers to collect your child’s personal and health data with no context for how that info might be used or any consent given?

That fact the DH made grammatical errors and my name was on it
is what I’d roll my eyes at

lifeinthehills · 28/10/2022 08:53

If it has been sent then it will need to be forwarded to the ethics committee for investigation, as all complaints will be.

Tiani4 · 28/10/2022 09:57

Yanbu
He is your husband your partner- he doesn't get to speak for you or sign letters for you. Just remind him he never sends in a letter to anyone nor a complaint in your name too, without you having read it and agree to it. That he's lucky you are not contacting the uni to say I did not write that nor see that complaint that my DH signed my name too!

You're right though you can't withdraw it as you'd both look daft. And the original complaint gets lost

If it helps I see a fair few complaint letters where it's obvious one person has written it compared to the more reasonable other partner

If your DD is under 13 the uni cannot store or process her personal information without your permission under GDPR

So whilst you have made a. Complaint about their processes, you can also b. write to them and copy ISO that you want your minor child's personal information deleted immediately as they have no consent to store it, and that you believe they have collected other minor children's personal information Without parental consent, that they are storing in breach of GDPR

School and uni should have known better

Now If uni can't identify what info is your DD's they may have to delete all of it. They really messed up

donttellmehesalive · 28/10/2022 10:19

OP, please update us when this is resolved as I'm honestly genuinely interested in whether there is a genuine complaint and if so how they resolve it.

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 12:58

rwalker · 28/10/2022 08:06

That fact the DH made grammatical errors and my name was on it
is what I’d roll my eyes at

That’s fair. Apologies

Randlehandle · 28/10/2022 14:01

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 03:06

Yep I’m very aware of what the OP asked for and if you rtft you’ll see I’ve responded to her question. What she didn’t ask for was for a commentary on whether her actions were ‘ridiculous’ or not. But you don’t seem to be berating those posters…

you may think it’s totally fine for posters to call her ridiculous for her perfectly reasonable course of action. I don’t. Its not a ‘struggle’ - it’s basic decency.

you may also be happy for folk to spread misinformation about important safeguarding and ethics issues such as consent. I don’t really care if you consider correcting misinformation to be ‘barging through other people’s responses’.

When folk spout nonsense and call other posters names for perfectly reasonable actions I don’t think it’s unreasonable to correct them.
you appear to disagree 🤷‍♀️

I have RTFT, otherwise I would not have been posting with an objective view. It's great that you have knowledge and experience in this field, however, your attitude comes across as superior and passive aggressive.

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 14:23

Randlehandle · 28/10/2022 14:01

I have RTFT, otherwise I would not have been posting with an objective view. It's great that you have knowledge and experience in this field, however, your attitude comes across as superior and passive aggressive.

Ok. No idea why you’re telling me what the OP is asking for then 🤷‍♀️

Do you actually have any advice for her or are you just here to state the obvious and join the name-callers?

Randlehandle · 28/10/2022 15:29

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 14:23

Ok. No idea why you’re telling me what the OP is asking for then 🤷‍♀️

Do you actually have any advice for her or are you just here to state the obvious and join the name-callers?

Do you actually ever let anybody else have an opinion? Carry on. Clearly only you know best. I stand by my observations. Your posts are all about you you you.

bellabasset · 28/10/2022 15:37

Good for your dh for taking the trouble to make a complaint. Not enough of us do but it's quite clear that had he consulted you it might have included more content and reflected your joint view.

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