To hate the term woke?

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I was reading a thread about a netball sponsorship debacle and someone posted an awesome tweet about people using the term "woke".

'Explain what you mean by Woke & then we can have the conversation'. Incredibly put by RakieAyola
This should be the response to every commentator, Journalist & MP who've become far too comfortable throwing the Term 'Woke' into every one of their dog whistle opinions

Does anyone else hate the term too? I only ever hear it used negatively on SM.

In your option. Anecdotally you’ve decided that. Unless you have data of course.

I’d be interested to read the studies that have determined that people who hold views on topics that cover diversity within media organisations (normally with a board room if execs who have zero diversity) are bigots and in some cases racist.

if that’s just your own personal view then you are welcome to it, as are we all.

Sorry - that should have read total lack of ability to understand simple issues

eg over representation of black peoples on tv proportionate to population distribution

the concern which the other poster was talking about is that this is just a superficial exercise to look like issues are being assessed - and therefore avoid having to address actual structural and institutional issues - which are much harder, complex and long term.

i suspect @ChefsKiss position is that lesbians are bigoted for saying they exclude penis. So.

I don't hate it. I just hate that British people hijacked the term and misuse it to drive a different agenda.

I could start a bigots bingo at this rate

We have so far
tickbox exercises
black people being over represented in the media
reeducation camps
communism

It’s really not a complex issue. No one gave two shits when white people were over represented in the media for decades, no one ever questioned why a white contestant was in a cooking, pottery etc. show (unless they’re disabled, gay or trans of course as then it’s a tick box exercise)

@ChefsKiss you do know that reeducation camps imposing theoretically left wing ideology actually where a thing yes? Horrific periods of history.

are you able to understand the concern that over representation of black people in some media is used by corporations to avoid making actual meaningful change?

you’ve referred to the phrase tick box exercise - do you understand why that is a criticism?

I think we all know that re-education camps are a real thing. I say are because they still exist actually, in places like Xinjiang, in case you weren't aware.

On what basis do you think that there will be woke re-education camps in the UK at any point in time? By that I mean an extensive system of large prison camps, the abolition of all laws protecting political freedoms and human rights, the growth of a nationwide social system of informants, an enormous police force with authority to torture, etc.

How do we get from 'trans potter on TV' and 'mixed-race families in adverts' to a British gulag?

Do you not see how ridiculous this sounds?

it just isn’t true to say that no one ever questioned these things. Of course they did. Maybe you didn’t question it, but that doesn’t mean no one did.

At the same time, how did we get to the point where men with penises are legally actual real women? Based simply on their say so? I wouldn't simply dismiss things as ridiculous anymore.

And with regards to media over representation...people tend to have a visceral negative reaction to people who appear to be suck ups, brown nosers, simps, hand maidens. There was no quiet natural progression to increased inclusivity. It has been done with lots of fanfare and handwaving, as if they thought they would not get any credit if they didn't shout it from the roof tops. That will always call into question what the actual motivations are.

The problem with inclusivity explicitly for the sake of inclusivity is that it automatically reduces them to a tick box. They could be all kinds of other qualified things too, but that does not negate the fact that at least one of their qualifications was being a tick box.

So.... because transwomen exist, we can't rule out the creation of a massive British gulag system?

This is not reasonable logic.

@dreamingbohemian you are the ONLY one discussing a British gulag system.

You are the ONLY one who is discussing the “existence” of trans women.

Youve just demonstrated perfectly the INSANE logic, lack of intelligence and lack of basic comprehension of the righteous woke.

lol do you not even read your own posts?

YOU yourself said:

@ChefsKiss would be the first one to apply to be in charge of the reeducation camps
AND
you do know that reeducation camps imposing theoretically left wing ideology actually where a thing yes?

My point is that it's ridiculous to be talking about re-education camps for wokeness. Re-education camps only exist in the context of a large gulag system. Which is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So stop being so hyperbolic, it's silly.

@dreamingbohemian tellin me what to think there are you?

god it’s like arguing with a 12 year old

It’s a word that has been sadly devalued (largely, but not entirely, in a deliberate manner by right-wing media).

Agree that it’s now a substitute for ‘political correctness gone mad’, which itself was a term that was used to describe a myriad of perceived ills, whether or not they had anything to do with political correctness.

Like others, even if I was sympathetic to their particular point, I’d usually make negative assumptions about somebody using ‘woke’ (or it’s stupid derivatives) in a dismissive manner.

It’s really not a complex issue. No one gave two shits when white people were over represented in the media for decades,

Well they weren't though. We were a predominantly white country...

The people who spout off about black families being over represented did not say the same around white over representation.

Christ can you hear yourself

are you actually claiming there wasn’t a time when white people weren’t over represented in the media?

goodness me

See this is how some racists try and disguise themselves

under the banner of ‘it’s not actually fair on black people to have so much representation’ it’s not ‘addressing the core issues’

like you have a flying fuck about the core issues when it was white over representation.

It’s not concern, it’s faux concern - there is a difference

Did you perhaps misunderstand what was written? @Newrumpus didn't say anything about it being the same people doing the questioning. Just said that people did question it. And they did. A lot.

You can think whatever you want. And then, other people can come along and say your thoughts are ridiculous.

Welcome to the internet.

Yes, mostly those who were under represented in the media questioned it

my issue is those on this thread who are using over representation of black and mixed race families on TV as the basis of their entire argument against the woke

are you actually claiming there wasn’t a time when white people weren’t over represented in the media?

Yes, I am. We were a predominantly white country and represented as such in our media. Similarly to all countries. Would you expect to go to Nigeria and see white peoples represented highly in their media there? Would you expect to see a white prime minister there? Now if you want to talk about how people of colour were represented then you've got a point.

And the flip side is that those who defend the over representation fail to acknowledge that the corporations, studios, advertising firms don't actually give two shits about representation so long as they think they can make bank on it. In that regard, over representation is exploitation.

Well, until recently, British voice over artists and white models dominated Nigerian media, but non-Nigerians were recently banned from advertisements.

Well, until recently, British voice over artists and white models dominated Nigerian media, but non-Nigerians were recently banned from advertisements.

Thank you for telling me that. I will go and read up

@ChefsKiss people on TV aren't chosen to tick boxes or because they are the most talented. They're chosen to make the TV show successful.